Can you cheat an eLog?

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by Meltom, Jun 15, 2011.

  1. Meltom

    Meltom Road Train Member

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    I'm just curious if anyone has figured out how to work around an eLog. I've found a few drivers that populate my miles without hours report but they all have no idea how that's happening.

    I get it, I wouldn't fess up either. I have some thoughts and we've tweaked some things with the system but i'm curious of other ways people are looking to work around the system. I don't want to have to remove some of the options because a small percentage of drivers want to cheat.

    Feel free to share, if you know of any or even if you have just thought about trying something.
     
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  3. Saienga

    Saienga Medium Load Member

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    I think you'll need to go into detail about exactly how your system is set up. Without knowing the parameters, it's hard to guess how your trouble makers are fudging. I've driven two qualcomm-based elogs now, and I've come to find out that they aren't programmed quite the same.
     
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  4. Meltom

    Meltom Road Train Member

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    We have a very basic peoplenet set up. Auto duty status changes set for 7/10ths of a mile for driving and after 3 minutes of sitting in the same place on duty. I'm not exactly sure what types of details would help.

    So feel free to just toss out any idea even if you think it may not apply.
     
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  5. ronin

    ronin Road Train Member

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    Sure you can... you can drive on another's log in... and they don't have to even be in the truck... or in the state, for that matter.

    Cops are so scared of e-logs, they seem to not even ask about your log status.

    I'll explain this further in PM. not in the forum.
     
  6. Meltom

    Meltom Road Train Member

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    I think I know what you're talking about. Fairly certain I have a driver doing this.
     
  7. ronin

    ronin Road Train Member

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    Sent you a PM. Easy enough to find out if you're outside the truck... but if someone (a cop, a safety guy) doesn't know, you might never guess.
     
  8. Cowmobile

    Cowmobile Medium Load Member

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    I dunno, but I'm sure someone somewhere has or will before to long.
     
  9. gentleroger

    gentleroger Road Train Member

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    Here's something I found out about the QC elog in March: if you're logged onto line 4 you can go almost as far as you want provided you don't go over 15 mph and stop every 7/10 of a mile. I was stuck in a construction zone w/several accidents on the interstate for about 12 miles. At one point we were stopped so long I had taken the truck out of gear and the inter-trip idle cut in and snubbed out the truck - kicking me automatically from line 3 to line 4. When I went to approve my logs at the end of the day I noticed an hour and a half of on duty time that should have been logged as driving.

    Also if you do things in less than 5 min increments you can fudge it back to the last duty status. For example you go on duty for pretrip, pull out of the lot, drive a mile or two to where you're grabbing/dropping your load, and quickly jump back onto line 4 the QC won't show any drive time.

    Both of these will make the log LOOK legal to a surface scan type audit that a DOT bear might do on an inspection. It will not fool a real audit as the QC logs your latitude and longitude at every change of duty status. So if you magically jump 5-10 miles w/out logging drive time be prepared to answer some tough questions - saying "but the elog let me do it" will work about as well as "my gps told me I could go that way".

    I'm also pretty sure that any halfway decent computer programer could hack the QC unit itself in such a way as to allow the type of logging that drivers were doing "when trucking was trucking". You'd eventually get caught, but it's still possible.
     
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  10. Omniscient

    Omniscient Light Load Member

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    I'm so glad I don't have e-logs its much easier to cheat a paper log... not that I do this or anything.
     
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  11. ronin

    ronin Road Train Member

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    Meltom, I'll be glad to post what I sent you as a hypothetical. I know a guy, you know...
     
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