Working on a Perkins AD3.152

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  1. lovesthedrive

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    So I have a question. I am putting together my perkins AD3.152. I havent touched the gears (yet). The tractor did run before taking it apart for a bad crank shaft. Yet if you look at the picture? The injector pump is out by 90 degrees and the camshaft is off by 8 teeth. Now, do I leave it? Or put it back correct to specs?

    Also. Has anyone had any experience with the rope seal? I put a new one in and now the engine wont turn over. Take the seal off and it spins over by hand. I did trim the extra to length.


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  3. AModelCat

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    So..... could you clarify what component each of those gears is attached to?

    I want to assume the bottom is the crank, big one in the middle is cam and the one on the left is fuel pump. If so, I'm guessing that the engine probably uses mechanical injectors instead of an inline pump since the crank and fuel pump gears are roughly the same size.
     
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    Crank is at the top (engine is upside down on engine stand). Big center gear is an idler. Gear to the left is the injector pump. Gear on lower right is camshaft. The timing mark on the camshaft is pointing straight up. The crank at this time has #2 on compression (or exhaust, the head isnt on).

    The gear for the crank has not been installed yet. I will do so after the part where the crank wont rotate is resolved.
    Head studs are pointing straight down on the bottom of the pic
     
  5. AModelCat

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    Ah ok. Didn't see the top of the pic.

    Betcha its a hunting gear pattern. Might have to spin it over a dozen times or so before everything lines up with the idler.
     
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    I tried rotating it 180 degrees. Of course the timing marks were also off by 180 degrees from what they are now.
     
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    Bingo winner !
    With that design you would have to turn that engine over multiple times before the timing marks will come in to line again.
     
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    It's a hunting tooth design. The thing to do is not assume your smarter than it and count teeth to keep from tearing it apart and lining everything up. Do it by the book and line everything up or post later with more problems. The rope seal just threads in the groove pretty self explanatory
     
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    Here is the pic edited with red arrows pointing to where the marks are.
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    Was the rope seal pushed all the way down in to the grove in the block and in the grove in the rear main bearing cap?
     
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    Keep track of how many turns you make but I bet if you start turning it a few times, the timing marks will start getting closer together and eventually line up.

    It can be a hard concept to grasp at first. Your cam spins at half crank speed (2:1). The idler simply transmits power. In a hunting pattern, the idler has a wacky number of teeth compared to the crank and cam. Basically meaning the marks may not line up every revolution (may take a dozen or more) but they're still in time.
     
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