Brokers are thieves!!!

I'm a newbie so I wasn't gonna say it myself but THANK YOU

 

Forget your gripe that they're not as regulated as you.
Now, if a broker is REQUIRED by FEDERAL LAW to disclose to their competition what it takes to underbid them one of 2 things will happen, they will keep an even larger chunk of the pie because they're going to assume their customer will be stolen, or the non compete clause will be extended to 3 to 5 years instead of one. If you violate the non compete you'll be sued out of existence, how much money you got to spend fighting lawsuits?

 

then why not put burden on trucker to not release rate cons? Instead of having trucker sign away rights to the master list?

why not have them go through licensing system like truckers do?

why not have oversight like truckers do?

your argument that “this will happen” is based on opinion as well as mine.

we don’t know what will happen, in reality if under FMCSA law dictates that truckers can ask for such lists but brokers make you sign away those rights is a no go.

it is an industry wide practice, brokers found a loop hole and are abusing it. It’s not like it’s a new law it’s there. Being it a industry wide practice that loophole eventually pushes everyone out of the market if they get black listed by all brokerage firms.

in other words we are back to the same thing. Small independent operators who depend on brokers are screwed because brokers found a loophole to circumvent the law.



is it ok for the trucker to run after a broker for non payment and other bs while not putting the burden on brokers to do the same?

let the brokers go after truckers for releasing the master list Or rate cons not have truckers carry the burden while they carry none.

 

So get your whiney little complaint to government, get them to pass your little regulation you want, then in 10 years when you're making even less money find a #### mirror to do your #####ing in, because we're all going sit here and say we told you so while laughing.

 

Once again Ad hominem attacks. Why not debate on the points? Is it getting to much for you?


Your point of look this will happen is based on what?

Law is there, close the loop hole.

shouldn’t a loophole be closed? Answer that not resort to name calling.

 

No, that "loophole" shouldn't be closed, the law should be sent to hell.

 

Let me ask you, are you an owner operator? If so do you depend on brokers?

 

Yes I'm a single truck owner op, only 75% of what I haul is broker loads, they just as good or better than hauling direct too.

 

It sounds like everyone is saying they do not want more government regulation.

The thing is with transparency that regulation already exists. So that really is not a good argument. It is not something additional, it is already there.

The truth is that brokers do not want carriers to know what they're making. So they put into their agreement for the Carrier to waive their right to see the rate. There is a reason why they do that.

So the next thing I hear is to just tell a Carrier well go get your own direct freight.

We all know that for 99% of single owner operators it's going to be virtually impossible to have 100% direct customers. That is just a silly suggestion and a poor argument. The majority of carriers are going to have to work with brokers.

The next argument is if there is transparency that other brokers will find out the rate and they will be under cut.

Brokers undercut each other all the time. So in the example someone gave above where they said they have no idea if they are number 1 or 2 or 3 or if they have been underbid by $200 or $500… I think it could actually work in reverse.

If you bid on freight and you have no idea how much less expensive the next guy is you may have to really under bid to try to get the work from him. If you know he's moving the freight for $2000 maybe you can get it for $1950. If you have no idea how much he's moving the freight for maybe you'll try to move it for $1200.

If we put transparency aside for just a moment, you don't think there are shippers out there that a broker will call them and say Hey I can move it cheaper than the next guy what are you paying him? Transparency is not required to undercut.

Underbidding has been going on forever and will never stop irregardless of transparency or whatever else. It happens everyday in every industry.

The next argument is that you are either a super outstanding business person or you are a pathetic wuss because you want transparency.

That's another silly argument because it is not an either or thing. You can be a great negotiator and great business person or however you want to say it and still be of the opinion that things should be transparent. Or should I say that the regulation that already exists should be enforced.

Whatever side of this that you are on, it is only an opinion. Nobody has any hardcore concrete knowledge of what exactly will happen.

So this conversation would be more interesting to hear your reasons for why you think this is problematic, rather than name calling or the poor arguments listed above.

 

Are you telling us that when you find out the broker is getting 5 bucks a mile for the load and offers it to you for 1.65 you're not going to try to undercut him?