Brokers are thieves!!!

Discussion in 'Freight Broker Forum' started by Regional, Apr 28, 2020.

  1. Long FLD

    Long FLD Road Train Member

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    It’s weird to me that you can have successful owner operators but when we don’t want to cater to the struggling ones we’re seen as the bad guys. When a restaurant is closing due to poor management you don’t hear all the other restaurants crying out that something needs to be done to keep the other one open. Maybe he didn’t project his costs correctly? Maybe his business couldn’t sustain the lease payment on his property? Maybe he’s just a bad businessperson? Could be 100 reasons.

    And when we point out the fact that running for a loss or to break even isn’t smart we’re told we hate the little guys. Those little guys are ruining it for everyone. They’re convinced if they know what the broker makes it will somehow make themselves a better owner. But they will likely still have the same money issues they have now, only there will be more to spend on the fun stuff.

    And some of us can see that this is a terrible road to go down because all it will do is drive rates down from competition for loads. Making the broker disclose their rate is a terrible idea and I’d wager the people asking for this wouldn’t be thrilled about disclosing rates if they had direct customers.
     
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  3. FoolsErrand

    FoolsErrand Road Train Member

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    Dont worry, theyll all get it when the tracksuit mafia is able to direct target the best paying shippers with the new transparency, and strip any meat left on any bone in the country. Only megas can live on chicago volvo rates for long.

    Keeping govt out is to PROTECT the small carrier and broker.
     
  4. StrokerTSi

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    Let all the whiners go broke and hopefully they whine enough thr next generation knows to avoid trucking for th ed most part.
     
  5. Driver Eight

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    You don’t have to be a big guy to hate on a little guy.

    you basically say, ‘hey little guy, #### you, you shouldn’t be in business’ Its hostility. IMHO, you should wish for an environment where it was easier (more money avail in the pot) for the more undercapitalized, less accomplished than than you are to be able to stay in business. A rising tide lifts all boats. Instead you say to them, #### off.
     
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  6. Rubber duck kw

    Rubber duck kw Road Train Member

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    Goverment IS the big guy "hating" on the little guy.
     
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  7. FoolsErrand

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    I dont think anyone has one ever put so many words in my mouth before. i articulate pretty clearly and have never meant any of the things youre crediting to me. I think your intreperation needs adjusting.


    No one but the corrupt can survive in a corrupted market. The best thing for the little guy is a sound capital market, where the cost to bear risk is high and gamblers are periodically run out by their own dangerous gambles. A hundred single truck undercutters jack the rates up just the same as a singular 100 truck company laden with debt and running at a loss.

    The "risk leveraged" deserve to slide down like shutes and ladders while the stable, sound operators deserves to stay afloat, regardless of size. From one man to walmart. If you are running at a loss you are saying F my competitor. And myself.


    American capitalism's biggest achilles heel is that a foreign government can set up shop and undercut the rates to strategically wreck markets, subsidized by their home govt. 9 dragons paper co is a good example. Lenin directed this toward germany in a massive sneak attack known as the new economic policy period or NEP, 1921 thru 1923. Not unlike NAFTA.
     
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  8. Rubber duck kw

    Rubber duck kw Road Train Member

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    A rising tide does not lift sinking or sunk boats, which is what people running for a buck a mile are. We have been having a receding tide, which leaves the boats not smart enough or unable to leave harbor high and dry, it's not up to us to try to refloat your boat or drag you to the water.
     
  9. Driver Eight

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    Really. The little guy is that guy that has to take cheaper freight to pay his loan Just because you may be in a more advantageous position you get angry at him for being desperate when all the loads should have more money on them than they do, and he is doing everything else right. If the money is in the pot, it belongs to a struggling carrier rather than whoever broker that you may have more sympathy for for some reason. Nobody disputes that rates are lower for valid reasons. But if they are actually lower than they ought to be on the load board because somebody is skimming too much, then I feel for the desperate trucker. I don’t demean him by saying he is too undercapitalized to survive in an unfair environment.
     
  10. Ruthless

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    ......just to be clear: you’re saying someone thats doing everything else right, EXCEPT run a profitable business.... is the ones that should be catered to?


    The world isn't fair. There’s winners and there’s losers- and lots in between.
    If someone can’t make money with a truck: they ought not to.

    Is the “new normal” stripping one man’s ability to earn because another man doesn’t know how to earn on his own?
     
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  11. Rubber duck kw

    Rubber duck kw Road Train Member

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    So we're responsible for you fishing without bait? It's our fault you didn't leave the harbor when the tide was going out? It's somebody else's fault somebody don't have the sense to come in out of the rain?
    I'm running out of nice ways to say it's not somebody else's fault you can't find paying freight.
     
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