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That is quite alright. I had to go back and re-read my post to make sure I wrote what I thought I wrote! I try not to make stuff up, I save that for the "Lunch Counter" lol

 

Times logged on BOL mean nothing. You dropped your trailer and a yard jockey put in the door while you were curled up in your bunk.

That's the story and you are sticking to it.

 

Thats company policy. I pull tankers too and many facilities don't even want me out of the cab. What would I need to be on duty for?, swatting flies that come in my open windows?.

 

Every shipper/receiver I go to requires me to uncouple, pull forward, and they put a gladhand lock on the trailer. That's my story and I'm stickin' to it!

 

Don't have to go that far ... I was relieved of duty, when they told me they'll bring the bills out to me when they finished.

 

You can use Yard Move on ELD it still counts against your 70 but not driving time. I would not log Off Duty because you not free to leave the pickup or delivery location most times. Plus your Attending a commercial vehicle that's being loaded or unloaded. I think that still in the law. You have be able to leave the customer and no be responsible for anything. Most places won't let you walk or bobtail out. If you go slow you do the ELD crawl 5 mph or less. Ha ha

 

I go on Yard Move, check in, swing open the doors, bump the dock........then go off duty or sleeper until I I'm loaded/unloaded. When my paperwork is ready, go On Duty, send loaded/empty call. Get out of Dodge. There is not a soul out here that sits at a dock for 3-4 hours ON DUTY......unless they get paid by the hour......which 99% of OTR Drivers don't!

 

Which regulation requires the ability to leave the warehouse to be considered off duty? Hint: There isn't one. One of the previous FMCSA heads even stated that being able to leave the premises has no bearing on HOS. Sure it's an opinion piece, but an opinion piece from someone that knows.

Oh, and if you are being that picky, using Yard Move isn't legal anyway....Sure it was added to the ELD options, but the definition of driving is still "any time at the controls of a CMV" with no exemptions anywhere, even the new ELD law for yard moves.

Just so you have reference here is driving and on duty definitions from 395.

Driving time means all time spent at the driving controls of a commercial motor vehicle in operation.

On-duty time means all time from the time a driver begins to work or is required to be in readiness to work until the time the driver is relieved from work and all responsibility for performing work. On-duty time shall include:

(1) All time at a plant, terminal, facility, or other property of a motor carrier or shipper, or on any public property, waiting to be dispatched, unless the driver has been relieved from duty by the motor carrier;

(2) All time inspecting, servicing, or conditioning any commercial motor vehicle at any time;

(3) All driving time as defined in the term driving time;

(4) All time in or on a commercial motor vehicle, other than:

(i) Time spent resting in or on a parked vehicle, except as otherwise provided in §397.5 of this subchapter;

(ii) Time spent resting in a sleeper berth; or

(iii) Up to 2 hours riding in the passenger seat of a property-carrying vehicle moving on the highway immediately before or after a period of at least 8 consecutive hours in the sleeper berth;

(5) All time loading or unloading a commercial motor vehicle, supervising, or assisting in the loading or unloading, attending a commercial motor vehicle being loaded or unloaded, remaining in readiness to operate the commercial motor vehicle, or in giving or receiving receipts for shipments loaded or unloaded;

(6) All time repairing, obtaining assistance, or remaining in attendance upon a disabled commercial motor vehicle;

(7) All time spent providing a breath sample or urine specimen, including travel time to and from the collection site, to comply with the random, reasonable suspicion, post-crash, or follow-up testing required by part 382 of this subchapter when directed by a motor carrier;

(8) Performing any other work in the capacity, employ, or service of, a motor carrier; and

(9) Performing any compensated work for a person who is not a motor carrier.

 

The very last statement. Section (9). Performing any compensated work for a non motor carrier. Since when has compensation had a bearing on hos? Funny how they can twist the rules to their own liking.

While working for a motor carrier, compensation (or non compensation) does not dictate duty status as it pertains to hos. But yet if you take a side job digging graves and you’re compensated it is deemed as an on duty status?? What a bunch of bs.

 

Even worse. I love making sawdust. Anytime I sell any of the woodworking projects I initially make to relax on the weekend, well that's all on duty time now...
Stupid, but there you go.