Split logging. I hope I did it right!

I think thats right.... hope so.


I dont have to unload, but sometimes am forced to stop driving somewhere I dont want to be like a pickle park. Will sleep 8, drive to nearest t/s or shipper/reciever, and take 2hrs. then will finish out my 14/11 starting my 14 after i came out of the 8hr break.


K

 

The way I figured it and the way I understand it:
11:30-7:30 = 8 sleeper
7:30-9:30 = 2 onduty
9:30-10:30= 1 drving
10:30-12:30= 2 sleeper
12:30-9:30 = 9 driving

2+1+2+9=14

Is this right for split sleeper?


It would depend on what you did prior to 11:30 since you drove into there; when split breaking and checking if you did it right you should always start from the last 10 hour break and I would need to know what line you are on and the time (like above is fine) Do that next time you get on here and I will let you know if you are right! Make sure you put what time you start your day and don't leave anything out.

 

There is one relatively easy way to figure the 8 hour break. The 8 hour sleeper berth break Pauses your 11 and 14 hour clocks. The time that you worked from 7:30 to 10:30 is a part of the 11 and 14 from the previous day. So if you had already driven 11 hours to get their the since the previous 10 hour break OR had already been on duty for 12 hours the previous day you are in violation.

Remember that the on duty portion does not matter if you had exceeded the 14 hour rule as long as you did not DRIVE. You may have had a violation by driving but we need more information.

The 2 hour break that you took from 10:30 to 12:30 does NOT stop your 14 hour clock FOR THAT PERIOD. The thing that you have to wrap your head around is that the start point for the 14 hour clock is the end of the PREVIOUS break, not the current one.

Check out my split logging thread here:
http://www.thetruckersreport.com/tr...ed-logging-split-sleeper-berth-explained.html

 

The hard part is what did you do prior to the 8 hour sleeper break? If you need me to help you the thing is you must start from your last full 10 hour break and tell me what line you are on from what time to what time and I can give you a perfect scenerio if you are in violation or not and how it works. You started from your 8 hour break, I don't know what you did prior to that, that is a "BIG FACTOR"!!!! Please let me know what you did prior (again the easiest is to start from your last legal 10 hour "consecutive break" and I will be glad to draw a grid and explain!) This helps you learn and it helps me assure I gave you the correct information from the data you gave me!
I may be able to answer tonight if not it will be answered by 7:00 am tomorrow morning! So please I want to help you because I feel you need to know the correct answer!:smt023

 

assuming you just came off a full 10 hour break prior......no the two hour break does not reset youre 14 it counts against it the only part of whats mentioned above that does not count is the eight hour break thats all you have to keep in mind while splitting anything but 8 and it counts against you and do not think you can do two 8 hour breaks and be ok because the second 8 would count against your 14 besty advice i could give is its not worth doing at all if anything your setting yourself up for a 14 hour violation....after reading a second time i realized i did not answer your question if you drove 11 before the 8 hour break then you where out of hours, the only thing that can reset that is a full ten hour break no if ands or buts about it and in your case it would have to be a full 10 not split unless you wanted to do 8 sleeper and 2 off duty but that would have to be consecutive and no driving or on duty inbewteen......hope i helped to confuse you less

 

Right here (*) is where it pays to be a quick thinking fiction writer.

The truck stayed at the customer's location from 07:30 until 09:30 and you logged this time as "on duty". You must be attempting Sainthood :smt083 .

In the real world, logging those two hours as "off duty" would have been a gimme. Then you could have started a fresh fourteen since you'd have just finished a ten hour reset.

2xR now knows who to send to the bank with a bag of uncounted cash. I know it'll all get there.

 

No! The 14 hour restets from the "END" of the "PREVIOUS" break.

Look at this example I have and I will talk you through it!

Now the thing is to split break you can't drive a full 11 hours then take an 8 or 2 hour break and split. If you add up the driving time prior to the break and subtract it from 11 that is how many hours you will have available to drive; so in your situation you drove 11 took 8 sleeper. If you take 11-11=0? Make sense?

Now the 14 limit is really the hardest part to understand. Just because you have the "driving" time available does not mean the 14 hour will let you drive that many hours.
So look at the below example: And "try" to understand and I will beat it in your head until you get it if you want, or you can tell me to shut up! l.o.l.

I want to cut this short as possible to not be confussing (I hope)
Ok so my minimum 2 hour break (even though it is more that is fine) was first I can not extend the 14 hour so I must stop driving by 4:00 pm. I didnt use my whole 11 hours so this is why it is important to you to add up driving hours "in between" the 8 & 2 = answer ( 5) now take 11-5=6. So in my example you will have 6 hours to drive AFTER the 8 hour break.
My 14 hour will be figured by:
1. Look at the end of the previous break (being the 8 & 2 minimum); count over 14. 14 hour would end at 12:15 AM the next day. I usually state my original 14 or my 1st 14 hr
2. Go to the end of the previous break and look forward; See if you have 8 hours in the sleeper (or more)
If yes: Count how many hours are in the sleeper. Then count that many hours over from the end of your 14 hour you figured out on step 1 and that is when your 14 hour is up: This case you do have 8 hours in the sleeper so the answer would be 8:15 am.
If the answer was no: Your 14 hour would end on the mark you made on step 1. Because if you look forward there is no 8 hour break to extend your 14 hr. And also if you look forward there is no 10 hour break and no 2 hour break.

In a nut shell if you look at the log grid (attatched) each period of working time must follow either
1) a 10 hour consecutive break (easy)
2) a 2 & 8 hour break

So if you look from 2:00 am forward; you see a 2.5 & 8 hour break right?
If you look forward from 10:15 am forward do you have a 10 hour break?

I have a thread regarding split breaking that I explained a few things in it and I give you a simple steps to follow, you should understand the basic 11 & 14 and you need to follow my making a mark at the top of the log grid and that helps tremendously when split breaking!
Once you get split breaking it is like "DUH" this is first grade stuff, but I is difficult to get (I had a hard time) now it is like I have been doing all my life this way!

A good way to get split breaking is not a one day split situation but a 2-3 day split.


So if the 8 hour break comes first you get to extend your 14 hour, but the "driving" time prior to the 8 is still being counted towards your 11 hour driving time.

Ok so I can't post the picture of the log because my file is to large. Grrr I can e-mail you the document to anyone who would like to follow along to try and understand. I am sorry.

ALL DRIVERS NEED TO UNDERSTAND SPLIT BREAKING I PROMISE IT WILL HELP YOU!:smt026 I KEEP SAYING HTIS AND I AM BLUE IN THE FACE GUYS/LADIES

 

Well, I just got a log violation for that split sleeper day. It was a minor deal, but I got a note in my box at the yard.

11:30-7:30 = 8 sleeper
7:30-9:30 = 2 onduty
9:30-10:30= 1 drving
10:30-12:30= 2 sleeper
12:30-9:30 = 9 driving

This is what I logged, but the problem was in the 9:30-10:30 driving. I had driven 11 hours the day before (prior to the 8 in the sleeper).

So my 14 hour clock resets AFTER the 2 hour sleeper break?

Thanks,


The problem here is he drove 11 hours then took an 8 hour break. Once you have used all hours it must be a 10 hour break.

Example: If he drove 9 hours prior to the 8 sleeper break he would of had 2 hours to drive.

I see your point; And I want to make sure "FIREBIRD" understand (and anyone else) that while you are loading/unloading if you don't have to be on the dock or assist you can go in the sleeper while they do their job. This will save on your 70 hour and yes possibly could have given u a 10 hour consecutive or the 2 hour minimum break to go with your 8 hour break (splitting). DOT knows it is going to take some time to deal with loading/unloading so you should always log line 4 when loading/unloading, but only when you have to assist does it all have to be on line 4.
I thought I would make sure everyone understood that.
I know what you are saying in your 1st sentence about just log it in the sleeper; but some companies/paper work might have proof that you was dealing with it at a certain time; so I have to be carefull with that statement about. If you know for sure there is no proof then you might get by with it, but do make sure you are there for the time frame you really was there and log line 4, them are the key things to remember!
Ok I hope all that made sense. I am tired!:smt020