Ughmm, the ELD measures on/off work hours ..

Discussion in 'Canadian Truckers Forum' started by skipgears, Nov 13, 2020.

I want to be paid by:

  1. the mile (like a neanderthal)

  2. the hour (like an office monkey)

  3. neither, I just wish I was dead, #### off and leave me alone

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  1. skipgears

    skipgears Medium Load Member

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    yes, yes you should, because you're away from home and therefore bound to an employment role. This aspect is for some reason still to this day ignored by most drivers, and is the reason for CEO's and shareholders taking in millions and drivers merely surviving or going broke. It's time folks really started using their brains on this issue. We need to unite on this matter else nothing will change, and nothing has been changing actually. We're still stuck in reverse.
     
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  3. skipgears

    skipgears Medium Load Member

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    Bingo! that there. We all know it, and are doing nothing about reversing that act. Trucking used to be an honorable and profitable profession, until Jimmy Carter and Raegan I think.
     
  4. '88K100

    '88K100 Road Train Member

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    For many hourly rate would be better provided the driver does not have to go to off duty (unpaid) status every time the wheels stop turning. I drive a day cab highway so I can’t go off duty(unpaid) other than a lunch break or coffee break,,,that’s how our labour laws work.
    The hourly highway jobs I see advertised in my area offer $25 per hour. City work is $21 to $24. Minimum wage is $14 per hour in Ontario.
     
  5. gentleroger

    gentleroger Road Train Member

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    If you are talking about counting after shift, off duty work, you are making a straw man argument.

    Assuming I worked a full 14 hour day (I didn't, 12 hour start to finish would be close to accurate), I made $28.57 an hour last week.

    If you assume a full 24 hour work day I made $16.56 an hour.

    Then we need to consider "overtime", if a company pays a daily rate of $185 then they are exempt from paying overtime, so if the law exempting transport companies from paying overtime magically disapeared, they would just start paying salary, keeping it just above the threshold for overtime pay.

    If OTR drivers truly made more at $9 an hour then the McDonald's and/or Kwik Trip down the street wouldn't be adverting $12 an hour.
     
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  6. REALITY098765

    REALITY098765 Road Train Member

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    Using your numbers you would be making $24 an hour on hourly while working on every day 24-7. EG $12 x 24 and then because you only worked 12 you double the $12 for time worked.
    Also you picked 1 day to make a point. I'm saying everyday 24-7.
    BTW I could and did make 90 cents a mile as a company man in the 1990's. At 70 mph that's $63 an hr. [Yes I know that's flawed math.]
    and yes accessorals applied.

    The guys at the steel mill get paid to sleep and when there is a strike somebody has to be inside the plant and they get paid for all the time they are in there. Overtime is applied somehow also.

    The trucking companies do what they want because they can with little to no resistance.
    The rich get richer and the poor get poorer.
    Eliminate the middle class that's the objective.
     
  7. SmallPackage

    SmallPackage Road Train Member

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    What is needed is hourly salary style wage. As long as you are on the clock during a 10-15 hr day you are getting paid even if the truck is sitting. Paid holidays even if off and paid vacation. $25 an hr wouldn’t sound so bad then.
     
  8. skipgears

    skipgears Medium Load Member

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    And that's precisely my point. Is that without national union-ship we are subject to forces of the elite, the established, and government. It's unfortunate most truckers fall below the 80 point IQ line. Do you see lawyers working for free? or doctors? No, of course not, they have brains and they realize the work effort that's necessary to complete their duty. But truckers appear sub-breed of human without critical analytical thinking skills. They fail to realize the true necessity of their work. Without the truck nothing gets to a shelf! Wake up you idiots!! WAKE UP!! You are being conned and ripped off.
     
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  9. Phantom Trucker

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    As much as trucking seems like it’s all the same, it’s not. You can’t compare the wages in one sector to another.

    Comparing a steel hauler to a door slammer is like comparing apples to chocolate bars.

    Some categories of trucking are so flooded with competition (which leads to lower rates), they couldn’t afford to pay drivers any more than the current wages.

    Sounds like you guys are really just looking for better wages, find a category of trucking that pays it and get into it. It’ll likely demand more out of you as a driver but that’s the way it is.

    Westcan Bulk Transport recently switched to straight hourly for local and highway. Head over there if the whole hourly thing means that much.

    Personally, I don’t care how I am compensated, it’s the amount I am concerned about. I take that amount and divide it amongst the days I was away and if it works out to something I am content with, then I am happy.
     
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  10. Cattleman84

    Cattleman84 Road Train Member

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    Is that why so many drivers wish for hourly pay... Because they are so accustomed to unions?

    I live in a non union state... There are only a very few unions, and they do not completely control any industry or field of work. In a few cases they do provide some good things for its members... But more often than not its the non union workers that really excell in a given field... They work harder, do better work, and produce a better product.

    Why? Because IMO its because they have to make it on thier own merits... They cant rely on a union to fight thier battles for them. So they either sink or swim all on thier own.
     
  11. skipgears

    skipgears Medium Load Member

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    Mr Cattleman, I understand certain frustrations with unions as they are not a perfect beast. Some guys take advantage to ease their workload, or cheat, or what-not because the union has their back. All instances of such unprofessional acts are unfortunate, but the benefits of unionship outweigh the negatives caused by a few bad apples.

    In example, let's look at the greatest union you yourself are involved in, The United States of America. Now imagine that formation dissolved and your state of Idaho had to all of a sudden fight for itself. This is what's been happening to drivers for as long as I can remember. America is strong because it's united, yet the moment we even consider the separation of states, great danger and fears arise. Such as interstate warfare for one. Or in-state civil wars, etc. The distribution of product becomes much more complicated. And without a central USA Army, each state would be posed to defend itself, and with what?

    So you see, unionship makes us strong in protections and betters all our livelihoods. Yes, the system isn't perfect. But you no longer need to worry so much about a family member in another state so much because he's part of your American union. Your family member in turn is then no longer subject to raw natural survival elements of "sink or swim", they can at some level be taken care of so you can enjoy their company in the future. Hence why socialist-democracies have also become so popular.

    In a side note, I'd like to remind that we are not in fact wild animals. The principles of "sink or swim" should not apply to our being. Else there'd be far fewer of us. The human animal has evolved past these primitive notions to establish a code of morals and ethics to adhere to. I'd like to invite anyone reading this to reanalyze their position.

    A Union is a form of community. As I travel through the great America and meet its great many folk I am continually reminded how strong and deep their tribal spirit truly is. This is what makes America Great!

    I'm gonna stop right here before this turns into a 400-page novel.
     
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