HOS new rules

ELDs cant successfully modify the existing codes. Keep in mind that those people who write codes are most likely overseas and it may not be all that clear for them what the latest changes mean.
Besides, as mentioned earlier, even if the algorithmical understanding is finally achieved by them, the very code implementation may be still a daunting task.
I can see these bugs already with Keep Truckin.

 

Just to clarify, by shorter breaks stopping 14 hour clock you mean those that are at least 2 hours and longer?

 

Yes, split sleeper berth break, the only type of break that involves "shorter" and "longer" rest periods though it's technically possible for each to be of exactly the same duration.

 

According to Keeptruckin ELD algorithm, when you do sleeper break split (when the two combined break chunks must equal 10 hours) there is a requirement to be in the sleeper berth for at least 7 hours in one of the chunks of the split break.
What I was saying earlier in this thread about any 10 hour off duty or longer breaks superceding any smaller sleeper time requirements was incorrect, at least in how Keep Truckin ELD discovers your violations.

I really hope that FMCSA has a different interpretation because according to Keep Truckin such absurditites as you, instead of going home for 34 hours reset or, for that matter, even full retirement, are still required to stay in sleeper for 7-8 hours, if you happen to exceed 14 hours due to the first break taken, are indeed possible.

For example, you start the shift at 6 am drive 5 hours until 11 am then go off Duty for 6 hours until 5 pm and the resume driving for the remaining 6 hours until 11 pm and then go home to sleep in your own bed.
In this scenario, at least according to Keep Truckin, you cannot resume driving after coming back from off Duty of 10 hours or, for that matter, even 7 months, unless you spend in the sleeper at least 7 hours.
Even if it is your last trip before you retire, you still need to spend 7 hours in the sleeper, otherwise you end your career with an HOS violation.

So looks like @mathematrucker was right....although I wish he were not. Lol.
I still have some slim hopes that this is only the result of how they programmed the ELD....

 

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I wish you were correct. However, I would not be surprised, if FMCSA had not envisioned such a logical loophole...

 

Rethinking this... (which is why I deleted that post).

Without going back and reading the rules; if the only way the shorter period pauses the 14-hour clock is by being combined with the longer sleeper berth-only period, then it makes a certain amount of sense. If that's the case, then you're in a HOS violation at 8 PM when viewed retroactively. Although a full 10 or reset should negate the violation.

What you're proposing is exactly what I used to do up here with our more flexible split-berth and deferral. I would basically stretch out my drive time in order to get home for a reset.

 

Real life example:
day1.



day 2. Violation: 14 hour shift...for as long as there is No Sleeper time of 7 hours or more after finishing the day, including home arrival.







day 2. "FIXED" No Violation...I had to go to the sleeper before going home for good.
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P.S. I can only let you guess which version I decided to choose. LOL

 

So, for those of you, who can park the truck on your own backyard...After you arrived on a conditional 14 hour shift extension....You are still supposed go to the sleeper and stay there for 7 hours while your lady sleeps alone or wants you to come for a dinner or do some work around the house. Alternatively, you could go and spend 7 - 8 hours in the sleeper right before you hit the road. Anything else is nothing but violation and against the law. LOL

 

Technical foul