I have bought a big cam 3 (625 cpl) with a cracked block (I'm assuming bad heads etc, it only had water in it when I bought the truck), but appears to run well, only leaks when it gets warmed up and all that, so as of now I believe the cam, injectors (which I'll have rebuilt anyway), aftercooler, pt pump, etc, etc is still good...and I currently have a good nt88 block, does anyone know as long as I switch to the new style heads and rockers if I will have any trouble building a 625 cpl, low flow nt88...im not seeing any reasons atm why it wouldn't work, if anybody can tell me for sure it will work or has any reasons why it wouldnt id sure appreciate the advice before I dump time and money into the project...thanks in advance fellas
Big cam troubles
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As far as I know the NT88 will not interchange with anything else. It was an oddball. Step between the NTC BC4 and the first mech aftercooled N-14’s.
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Hmm, I hate to hear that, but glad I found out before I got it put together lol...thanks man
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I really honestly don't know. I've always stayed with the big cam one two and three because they're the same and from the big cam 4 on there were changes.
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I have a 1985 NTC BC4 out of a FL coe that Is on my list to convert to high flow to put in a ‘73 Pete coe. I have all the BC3 parts to make it work.
The NT88 was a later version of the BC4 that came out in 1988. From what I understand is heads and bolt pattern are different from any other BC and the water manifolds and oil cooler are different pattern. Not sure on aftercooler and exhaust manifolds but I believe so.
NT88 was only around for a very short time before the N-14 came out.
They still built the NTC BC4 at the same time but the NT88 was sold as more of a “fuel squeezer” engine at that time. -
I can tell you for a fact all the stuff will bolt up, and oil passages, will line up...as far as I can tell the nt88 does cool different as I found out by an earlier experiment done with an nt88 head on a small cam, that I never could get to cool (I had parts and in my early days I didn't know there was a difference), I just don't know if the low flow cooling system will keep up with 625 cpl fixed timing and im not sure if there is cam differences that im not aware of, or if the cam follower bolts differently to the casting (different thickness in the block) that will effect timing the engine...and the nt88 block was a fixed time 300 at one time, it's never been an stc
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Is it just the coolant passages that don’t line up between an 88 head and a regular 855 block and vice versa?
Everything else will bolt up?
If thats the case then heads just need to be from an Ntc.
The waterpump is the next question. But i’ve heard of guys changing the impellers and pulleys to speed up the flow.
I can say that the low flow I have had #5 sieze up because it was running with a hot fuel pump and #5 piston squirter broke. It went down real quick. It was originaly a formula 350 at 1900 governor setting. It was set up to who knows what running 2400 governor. Honestly I do not know if they were fighting cooling issues with it or not set up like that. I’m thinking they tried to redneck it to a 444. -
To be honest with you, I know they will bolt up, I am not 100% certain that the coolant passages don't line up, they may just restrict flow too much, I never got to an absolute certainty about what caused the over heating issue (as it does appear they Line up and appear to be the same diameter) so I never was sure what caused the over hearing issue unless the passages just run to the wrong places on the head compared to the block, but it didn't have an overheating issue until I changed the head and I was forced to run it for about a week in a dumptruck at 200ish degrees on the gueage, and after that it caused a cracked liner forcing combustion into cooling system, ive not rebuilt the engine, but there is some speculation between me and my father that it wasn't the cooling at all but rather the non top stop injector didn't set deep enough in the head and caused over fueling (i.e. the injector sleeve isn't machined as deep in the head), I do see a whole lot of signs of over fueling on those 2 cylinders and both were ate up with pin holes after that week, forcing combustion back through the cooling system, but we assume the cooling has something to do with it or it wouldn't have overheated for the first week (there is a small possibility we suppose it was dumping and combusting enough fuel to cause such a problem but it's doubtful, bc while it did smoke it wasn't a whole lot of black smoke like unburnt fuel, appeared more like it needed the overhead ran, which of course we did when we replaced the head)
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200-205 degrees shouldn’t hurt it. Down here thats normal summer months temp.
Could be the liners were allready cavitating due to coolant issues and just running it like normal opened up the pin holes. I worry about that with a couple of my old trucks because they sit and don’t run often enough.BigCamTrucker Thanks this. -
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