Broke down after 2.5 hrs on, logged off duty, Co wants me to run.

So, you were brokedown from 7am-2pm. Technically, that was not in the sleeper since you were in and out of your truck and at the truck stop. Those 7 hours have to be in the sleeper according to the regs.

Technically, your 14-hr clock did not stop.

If I'm up at 4-4:30am to start my day, there's no way I'm running until 10pm that night. That's an 18-hr day without getting paid for more than 1/3 of it.

 

You're confused for good reason. Yes 3 consecutive hours in SB will extend your 14 to a 17. It gets even weirder. 7 consecutive in SB you can extend it to 21 from your original time you came on duty. And you can drive in that time.

It doesn't extend your 11. You still only get 11 to drive, and the only way to get a fresh 11 to drive, is by taking your normal 10 hour break.

Our elog computes it automatically.

But yes you can extend the 14 to 17. Done it several times.

 

You guys are just out of control.....

Do you guys have Math degrees? You already give these people 14 hours a day, sometimes 16 and you wanna do math and try to squeeze more blood out of that rock?

I personally would go off duty for a breakdown to save my 70 so I could easily work a 6th day if needed and finish the day at 14 or 16 if I had it. The boss don't like it he can suspend me. Nuff said!

 

Let me get this straight... You start off chiding everyone for using current rules to put in more hours, and then you explain what you'd do to skirt the rules to put in more hours.

 

You can be off-duty or sleeper berth in a breakdown so long as you're not "attending to" it. So if you're parked at the truck stop or dealership, but not the side of the road, you can be off-duty or sleeper berth.

I would have logged the 7 AM - 2 PM in the sleeper "just in case."

 

INCORRECT.

Only ONE of the qualifying breaks of a split sleeper has to be in a minimum of 7 hrs consecutive hours in the sleeper. It does NOT have to be the first break, and both breaks stop the clock.

 

Correct ... But the confusion probably stems from differing company policies. I believe Swift, for one, is requiring both the short and long break to be in the sleeper to stop the 14.

 

By "technically", I mean the fact that the driver admitted that he did not spend the 7-hr part of the break in the sleeper. So, it doesn't qualify as "consecutive hours in the sleeper".

So, he never actually fulfilled the requirements of a "split sleeper" UNLESS he was planning on counting only 2 or 3 hours of his time brokedown as the first part of the split sleeper and doing the other 7 (consecutive hours in the sleeper) later that shift- which doesn't make sense.

Now, if the driver wants to go along with dispatch and claim [on his paper logs] that he did spend 7 consecutive hours in the sleeper between 7am-2pm, he can do that, but he would be falsifying his logs to do so.

That's what I mean by "technically" the driver did not fulfill the split sleeper requirements and he should end his shift by counting the 14-hr clock starting at 4:30am.

 

INCORRECT

As pointed out before, under the new split sleeper rules, BOTH qualifying breaks of a split sleeper stop the 14. The non-sleeper berth break can be any length between 2 hours and 9 hours and 59 minutes..... the sleeper berth break can be any length between 7 hours and 9 hours and 59 minutes, but both breaks together must be at least 10 hours.

The driver was off duty, not in attendance of his vehicle for 7 hours (plus or minus). Therefore, his first qualifying break was 7 hours, which extended his 14 by 7 hours to 21 hours. He needs to follow the first qualifying break with 7 hours (or more) in the sleeper at the end of his shift (starting before 21 hours) to complete the split berth.