Semi truck registered as a motorhome

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  1. RocketScott

    RocketScott Medium Load Member

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    WA has a hard on for 1 ton trucks pulling trailers over 10k

    If your Grandma made you lunch for hauling her junk to the dump they will tell you that you're now commercial

    ETA: Here is the WA DOL flow chart, which doesn't actually follow the law:

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    ETAA: It looks like the image isn't posting. Here's a link:

    https://www.dol.wa.gov/driverslicense/cdlrequired.html
     
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  3. RocketScott

    RocketScott Medium Load Member

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    I don't believe that to be true

    Collector truck shows have entrance fees. There are prizes awarded, but I don't know if any shows have monetary prizes. There's a difference between winning money and getting a ribbon
     
  4. TTNJ

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    And I believe that show trucks would be required to have a CDL.
    Anytime money comes out of your pocket or goes into your pocket makes it commercial.
     
  5. RocketScott

    RocketScott Medium Load Member

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    Money practically flies out of the pockets of collector truck owners...

    We could actually both be right depending on where we are, the laws vary from state to state
     
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  6. TTNJ

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    Totally agreed and it also will depend on how it sold to the officer. Knowing what to say or not to say is key.
     
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  7. SmallPackage

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    Like i said 99.999% of race cars or race rigs as they call them are not commercial use. Only 1% are in it for the business. All others it is a hobby. There can be 100 cars running at the strip 3 miles from me at any given time 3 days a week and they are not a race team making money. People pay the track to watch and play. The track don’t pay you.
     
  8. TTNJ

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    Your local drag strip 3 miles away with those 100 cars I doubt have cars trailered in 53’ trailers being pulled by a class 8 rig. If they did I would submit a CDL is required.
    Most of those cars are trailered using a totor home, which is registered as a RV or by at best a 1 ton pickup that would not require a class A CDL.
    Either way a DOT# and not for hire would be required.
     
  9. SmallPackage

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    That is my point. They don’t. Therefore cdl not required. I was responding for the folks who think just because someone has a racecar that they play with means they are commercial. Anyone can have a racecar and doesn’t need to be in a motorsports business. Just like the big trucks in the hobby world. Just because it is a truck doesn’t automatically make it commercial. Some folks don’t get that.


    Not aguing with you or @RocketScott. You guys got it down with your local laws and know what you can and can’t do.
     
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  10. RocketScott

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    I agree. There are guys driving collector trucks, pulling flatbeds with other collector trucks, on their way to Virginia for the big ATHS show as we speak. Some have CDLs, others do not. They're all paying an entrance fee

    It's totally a gray area that depends on the state and whichever Barney Fife you're talking to. It took me hours to get plates for my truck. I had to explain the law to the person at the DOL multiple times. The average cop has no clue, that's why I have the laws printed out and offer a roadside seminar entitled: "Collector Trucks and You, the law enforcement professional"

    RVs are going to be a bit different, but the process is the same. Read, read, read all the laws. Check internet forums specific to what you are doing. Go back and read the laws again. Get to know the laws so well you can quote them. One word can change the interpretation of a law profoundly, know all of them

    Electronic Code of Federal Regulations (eCFR)
    FMCSR:
    §390.1 Purpose.
    This part establishes general applicability, definitions, general requirements and information as they pertain to persons subject to this chapter.
    §390.3 General applicability.
    (f) Exceptions. Unless otherwise specifically provided, the rules in this subchapter do not apply to—
    (3) The occasional transportation of personal property by individuals not for compensation and not in the furtherance of a commercial enterprise;
     
  11. SmallPackage

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    The regs aren't publically advertised. 20 or so years ago I was on my way to Houston and got stopped by an older diesel bear that just wanted to look at the truck because he never seen one that old before. Lol! He had no clue about the Texas antique or classic plate, no need for inspection,numbers, or CDL. He had to call it in to Austin for belief of what I was telling him. Before we parted he had written down all the regs on a sheet of paper using their inside code numbers so the next trooper won’t have to look them up. I made copies for each truck.
    Fast forward 15 years and a 30 something year old state trooper who is a friend of one of my nieces inherited a ‘77 Kw from his recently deceased dad who had adopted him. This guy came out to look at a steer and saw all the trucks and starts telling us about the truck and how he love’s it but can’t keep it because commercial this and that and he doesn’t care to get CDL just for it. I showed him the regs and plates and he was floored. He had no clue.
     
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