AC freezing up
Discussion in 'Heavy Duty Diesel Truck Mechanics Forum' started by PSM379, Jul 23, 2021.
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Freon could be low causing it to run Constantly. Could have moisture or trash clogging the expansion valve. More than likely the high pressure side trinary switch is bad, causing it to run constantly and building too much pressure. You’re on the right track. You’ll see where the probe goes when you change the evaporator. No guarantee the probes your problem. My experience is when they’re bad, compressor won’t come on. If evaporators still good, and can’t find a new one. Good cleaning and flush can be done. Very hard to get completely flushed though. Not a closed loop. It’s a header/ fin style. Best replace it, and condenser if it’s corroded or maybe has debris in it. Definitely a new air dryer, and pull a vacuum. 7% oil to Freon ratio. Only way to figure the correct amount, is to flush all hoses, drain compressor. Account for 1 Oz. Remaining in compressor. I’d change at least the expansion valve on bunk, and the heater control valve, also. I think yours has air over electric for bunk and cab. If so change them out. It’s going to get expensive if you can’t get hoses off the expansion valves. Might want to look into a cost effective way to make your own. Hopefully the compressors already been upgraded, and hoses have fittings. If not, good time to upgrade. It’s a lot of work, but should give at least 3-4 yrs of trouble free service. Till something else goes bad. With A/C it’s always something, almost every year.
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If you’re looking to just get it working for now. I’d try a new air dryer, and trinary switch. Might just get Lucky and get off cheap, for now. Won’t lose any Freon in the process. Dryer may pick up any debris and moisture if any. I’ve had luck getting an expansion valve to start working properly after turning the A/C on and off a bunch of times. Worth a shot.
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Thank you, these are fairly new lines, brand new compressor, brand new condenser also. When I first charged it after swapping compressor and condenser sleeper and cab were ice cold 40* then it started freezing after about 1-2 hours of use. I’m going to swap that drier, trinary switch, and expansion valve tommrow and see what happens. Luckily the expansion valve and lines to it are newer within the last few years. So hopefully I won’t have a issue.
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The older 379 has a small condenser it isn’t enough area to dissipate the heat so the fan will run all the time except if it’s fairly cool out.
The dirt and mud on the fins from years of use really have nothing to do with it freezing....that just slows your airflow down. The freezing comes from years of crap that gets in the tubes inside and restricts flow. Flushing it won’t really help. A hard extended vacuum will help more than anything as it will boil the moisture out of it. Also remember these systems were designed for R12 and 134 just doesn’t work the same in them. If you can find one an updated evap core is the answerAModelCat, BigBob410, spsauerland and 2 others Thank this. -
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Sounds like a plan. I switched my 92 WS to 134A. Using the inter dynamics conversion kit w/pag oil. Replaced original compressor with new same R12 type, with fittings, since my hoses were new. It was cheaper anyways. Same compressor, as the new 134a type, without fittings. Never changed to vitron o rings, or silicone hoses, like everyone claimed at the time. Shops were charging $1000 in ‘98 to retrofit Trucks. Cost me $180, with new compressor. Worked great.Big Road Skateboard and PSM379 Thank this. -
Thanks for replies everyone. I got the new expansion valve, drier and trinary switch on. I am going to pull a good vacuum in the morning and then charge and see what Happens.
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You just take the 4 screws out of front of a/c heater box and take it off and you will see the temp sensor, you can go to Napa and buy a new temp. switch that has a knob that you turn that you mount on dash that can control how cold you want it in your truck, in the desert you can turn it way down but in hi humid areas you can't run it on full cold with/out it ice up, or you can just buy one like you have that set at factory temp. setting and vac. out the heater a/c box with a shop vac. or try to blow it out with a air line, but its a easy fix on fine trucks like the one you have?
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Update, pulled a hard vacuum this morning, let it sit for 2 hours when I went to town with the kids. Came back no leak down at all. Vacuumed a little more, then charged it. It is cold, nothing is working though. High side pressure rising had to manually turn fan on to relieve pressure, after about a hour and half running in the driveway, low side line started freezing, which the. Continued to expansion valve freezing. Went and plugged the wire back into the thermostat it tripped the circuit breaker for the AC system. This system was redone by the previous owner. I’m guessing they had a shop do it. They wired a separate switch for the AC system. So with that switch on, and the wires hooked up to the thermostat it’s tripping the breaker. So process of elimination and talking with a buddy, it clicked to me that possibly the new trinary switch is wired wrong, as the wires for my trinary switch are on a plug. So I in plugged the plug from the new trinary switch and the breaker quit popping with the AC on. Of course the new trinary switch is not labeled. Kind of stumped at it. Thinking of ordering a labeled trinary switch, so I know where each wire goes, and hopefully when it’s connected everything will work correctly. It seems it is wired for everything to go thru the trinary switch. The diagrams I have found, show that the thermostat does go to trinary switch. With it tripping the breaker, I’m hoping it’s all wired correctly and once the trinary switch is wired correctly the system will work as it should. If I’m on the wrong path please let me know.
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If the diagrams I’m finding are correct. 1 blade is AC thermostat, 1 blade is DC power, 1 blade Override, 1 blade compressor. Only issue is this new trinary switch the blades aren’t numbered, and no label on the switch. Old 1 is numbered, and I’ve found diagrams online. For example #1 orange wire #2 black/white wire #3 black wire #4 yellow wire.
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