The moment you go on-duty you draw the line from the start time to the end time of driving. This isn't rocket surgery you know. I also gave another indication. simply put a dot at the start time, or even a small vertical dash, or any other mark that isn't a horizontal line.
Not by regulations, no. Only up to the last duty change.
P.S. You seem to think paper logs aren't still legal. They are (in some cases) and the regulations for them are still in effect. Most not having a change in decades.
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1. How can you tell how close to a violation if you don't even know what the regulation is?
2. Way too many officers simply don't know the law. The burned out light light example is a common one. It makes it so much easier to show the officer 393.9(a) doesn't allow them to write a citation for a chicken light out. Of course you have to be respectable and the officer has to be willing to learn, but it's better to try that than fight it in court.dibstr Thanks this. -
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The reasonable officer would agree with your assessment however some will still write the citation or note the violation on the inspection report even when it is a few days old. They can't place you outnof service but can still haslle you. With good notes in the remarks section most will let it slide.
As for form and manner, yes they still happen with an ELD. The driver still must manually input some info such as load or trailer number so there are still form and manner violations I deal with daily.
And yes, always submit a true and accurate log, even if it reflects a violation, as the penalties and consequences for a violation are far lower than a flase log issue should a severe crash or other major incident occur.MACK E-6 Thanks this. -
While these reflex reflectors and conspicuity tape is required is not spelled out in black and white per se but rather it is found in Table 1 of 393.11 when you look at the images of the rear of a tractor you will see note 8 and 14 which require these reflectors to be installed if there are mudflaps.
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Thank you. I did speak to a safety critter early this morning about everything in this thread. He told me that even back in the days when they used paper he told new hires to log as per company policy. The system they used actually would reject paper logs that did not have both vertical or horizontal lines and almost every other form and manner mistake. The same with things like mudflaps, the company had a policy. I think this is my position on all these issues. If you are a company driver do it as per company policy. This also applies to OOs that are leased. If you are an OO running your own numbers you can play roadside attorney with the DOT.
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