Unpaid miles

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by BobC, Jun 22, 2008.

  1. Baack

    Baack Road Train Member

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    When you sign all that paper work
    You bet you agree to it and lose any right to claim a loss
     
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  3. rookietrucker

    rookietrucker Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    When I first started driving truck. I thought I was getting paid all the miles I had driven. Did I ever get a rude awakening. I felt robbed and lied too. This one of the reasons I dislike the big carriers. Personally, you should get paid all hub miles. Except for those drivers that want to go seeing the countryside. With more trucks be governed and the increased demand for safety(HOS). It would only make sense to pay a driver the hub miles if your not going to increase there pay. :biggrin_2558:

    HHG can rob you if you have to go around Altanta or some big city with a loop. I believe to go around Altanta, its like 30-40 miles?
     
  4. BobC

    BobC Medium Load Member

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    Hub miles are measured using a Hubometer.
    The hub is a mechanical device mounted to a wheel either on the tractor or trailer.
    It is a basic turns counter.
    The outside of the hub rotates with the wheel it is mounted on.
    The inside mechanism of the hub "freewheels" but is weighted at the bottom to keep the inside mechanism quasi-stationary as the wheel turns.
    Each time the wheel turns, the hub clicks off a distance usually measured in 1/10 of a mile or better.
    The hub is considered about the best gauge of mileage short of gps.

    HHG or house hold goods guide is a (now) computerized version of a previously written guide based on the shortest distances between zip codes.
    I'm told the distances between post offices are measured "as the crow flies" so they don't include turns, one-ways etc.

    It's common knowledge in trucking that hhg miles will rob you of somewhere between 8% & 12% of your actual mileage on average.
     
  5. BobC

    BobC Medium Load Member

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    Wellll, maybe & maybe not.
    I guess it comes down to did the company "bury" that lil' tidbit of info or tell you outright that you'd be paid for all your miles.

    I realize what you're saying.

    If the company can prove they were "upfront" about their mileage determination scheme, you might not be able to sue for a contract breach.

    I also have to believe there's a legal way of getting around that & suing for the real mileage.
    Maybe not.

    So, that's why I was specific in asking precisely how the company made you aware of the pay setup or if they did at all.

    At any rate, I'd like to present the info to these attorneys & let them decide if there's a way to get that lost mileage back.

    So far, no one has stepped up & presented me with any form of paid vs true mileage so I guess the whole concept is academic.
     
  6. rixcamp

    rixcamp Light Load Member

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    I'm sure carriers have the clause hidden somewhere in their paperwork, where you sign your rights away. BUT, it would still be interesting to see an administrative law judge ask a company WHY they still use that HHG system! The only answer could be, to increase their profit margin at the direct expense of the driver! Unethical practices persist in trucking, and the only way it's ever going to be changed is by drivers like us challenging them in court. Personally, I don't have the $$ to hire a lawyer on retainer. Maybe out there somewhere, there's an attorney that would take on a case like that pro bono. I'm going to quietly check during the next several months. I'm tired of being ripped off, and I'd like to see some positive change in the trucking industry for once. And, it would be great to see other drivers not getting ripped off as well. Long shot? Maybe! If someone doesn't try, things like this will never change.
     
  7. BobC

    BobC Medium Load Member

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    RIX,

    You might have misunderstood me.

    This whole fact-finding thing is free.

    All I'm asked to do is put as much info in front of these attorneys as I can to help them determine if it's possible & can everyone make out monetarily.

    No names are even necessary.
    Call yourself a code name if you want.
    Just leave a way to get hold of you for questions that may arise.
     
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  8. Working Class Patriot

    Working Class Patriot Road Train Member

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    Ah, the same game that some less-than-honest dump truck brokers play.

    You would get a job and be told it was at X rate but don't put the rate on the ticket....yeah snake oil all around.
     
  9. rixcamp

    rixcamp Light Load Member

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    BobC, Good idea! I'm going to work on that. Most attorneys have ways of finding relevant info. Some may even be somewhat aware of the concepts involved with this situation.
     
  10. Wishiwasfishing

    Wishiwasfishing Bobtail Member

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    I went to orientation believing that I would be,paid for loaded, empty, deadhead and even miles to get to the house each weekend. 3 weeks in I realized that I would have to beg for the weekend home time and by five weeks I had figured I'd driven over 2000 miles more than I'd been paid for. When i brought it to someone's attention i was told about household goods miles, and basically told to prove it. Weeks later I asked for a printout of dispatches miles and paid miles or i would turn my truck in...they called back and said they would route me to West Memphis, but have been sitting for 3 days. They refuse to give me a printout. Seems they have authority to steal money they promised to pay and I have no recourse.
     
  11. wis bang

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    Years ago a Chem Leaman broker paid his union drivers hub miles based on the hub readings of 3 different 'trusted' drivers.
    That broker has his own tractor spec using single drive axle macks with an air tag instead of the camelback tandems the company used.
    Then they caught one the driver making one of those 'measued' trips to a new customer sitting in the dinner eating breakfast with the tag axle holding the drive in the air with the wheels and hub spinning away...

    Starting in the days of that big HHG book and trip permits by teletype [no fax machines either...] the mileage paid has always been a point of contention beetween companies, drivers and especially owner operators.

    PC miler practical miles became popular with carrier sales forces and traffic departments and shifted away from shortest route and a lot of drivers and operators 'sorta' expected it and as laptops and reasonable CD Rom versions dropped to a reasonable price a lot of owner operators had the same program.

    Then came Brokers...glad I'm retired.

    PS: the place I retied from uses Mapquest to route out the LTL trucks...
     
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