Buttonhook right-hand turns

The situation that happened that inspired me to make this thread occurred when a woman flipped me the bird as I was completing a buttonhook right-hand turn. I posted about this on the thread "Most insulting thing another driver can do". I thought more about this and decided this issue ought to have its own thread. The "Most insulting thing another driver can do" thread is not about buttonhook turns.

The other day I had to make a right hand turn at a four street intersection with traffic lights. Immediately before I made the buttonhook turn, I was driving on Elm Street. The road I was turning right on to is Oak Street. Oak Street is a two-way street with just one lane for the oncoming traffic and just one lane for people going the other direction. Before I made the right hand turn, there was a yellow car on Oak Street, and this yellow car was stuck at a red light. So I had to buttonhook the right hand turn. The CDL Manuals for all the states of the USA say that the proper thing to do in this situation is to make a buttonhook turn. So I swung far forward and then swung my truck to the right and stopped in front of the car. The lady in the car would not back up at first. So I honked the air horn. It was crystal clear that there was no other way for me to make this turn except to buttonhook in to the lane her car was in. Finally, the lady backed her yellow car up about 20 feet so I could make the turn. As I was driving by her, I was going to wave to signify "thank you for backing up". I looked at the lady, and she flipped me the bird!


The drawing in the photograph above reflects the situation right when I blew the air horn at the lady in the yellow car. But let's back up a little bit.

Let me discuss the situation as I approached the intersection BEFORE my trucked reached the spot my tractor-trailer was in in the drawing. As I approached the intersection on Elm Street, my tractor-trailer had about ten vehicles behind it. The yellow car on Oak Street had no vehicles behind it. I decided to pull far forward and then pull in front of the yellow car as depicted in the drawing. I will write my thought process to do this in green font. My thought process in doing this was something like the following: I have ten vehicles behind me. The yellow car has no vehicles behind it. I should pull in front of the yellow car and have the yellow car move out of the way. That's just common sense because the yellow car has no vehicles behind it, and it's a lot easier to maneuver a little car around out of the way than to maneuver this giant tractor-trailer.

I discussed this on the "Most Insulting Thing another driver can do to you" thread (even though it was hijacking the thread). Other people on the "most insulting thing" thread said that I did wrong when I buttonhooked the right turn in the incident portrayed in the above drawing because the yellow car had the right of way.

When I approached the intersection of Oak Street and Elm Street, should I have just stopped my tractor-trailer on Elm Street and waited until the yellow car passed and there was no oncoming traffic on Oak Street before I made my buttonhook right-hand turn?

What would you have done?

 

As I made the right hand turn, I had a green light on Elm Street. The yellow car on Oak Street had a red light.

 

What if jug handling the turn is not adequate? What if the turn has to be both jug handled and buttonhooked?

 

So all that you wrote above is to say that you jug handle the turn as well as button hooking it. Fine.

But you did not address the issue that is at the heart of this thread. If you have a green light, would you stop your truck until the road you are going to turn right onto is clear of traffic?

If you think your post implied the answer, I need you to explicitly spell it out for me please.

 

Yeah I knew all that before I created the thread.

This thread is not about to jug handle or not to jug handle. This thread is about "would you wait until the street that you are going to turn right onto is clear, or would you pull in front of the vehicles on the street you are going to turn on to and expect them to back up?"

In other words, when you had a green light on Elm Street, would you stop your truck on Elm Street until Oak street is clear, or would you pull in front of the yellow car on Oak street and expect the yellow car to back up?

 

With the benefit of hindsight, if the yellow car on Oak Street was a police car, I think the cop might have given me a ticket.

 

Nobody has directly addressed the core issue of this thread yet.