DVIR clarification please

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by randomname, Oct 26, 2022.

  1. PaulMinternational

    PaulMinternational Road Train Member

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    One of my biggest issues was dealing with our maintenance department!
     
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  3. randomname

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    Hey everyone thank you for all the info. I had a feeling I was right for telling my bosses they were screwing up but now I have some solid stuff to go on.
     
  4. wis bang

    wis bang Road Train Member

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    I'm sure they can get some assistance from the local state motor truck association to locate someone local to set things up and get materials from J J Keller or any other source of applications and other file materials to set up the qualification and file process.
     
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  5. Ridgeline

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    let's address this one. The other questions are pretty well covered.

    To answer this with experience ...

    NO!!

    It does not by regulations but the company may require it to keep ahead of
    maintaining it.

    However, the other question that popped up is legalities of using it to CROSS the road, which it does not need to be licensed or part of a fleet.

    The yard vehicle is for internal use only, not a road legal vehicle and under most state laws throughout the country - 49 out of the 50, the movement of the vehicle from one location to another that is owned by the same company and within reason does not need any licensing or numbering of any sort.

    I don't have a list of states but more likely than not your state is one that doesn't require it, I
    think Hawaii does.

    It does have to be
    conspicuous with a flashing light and slow vehicle sign when it crosses the road, but not to be registered as a road vehicle.

    AND ... like other
    industries, the general liability coverage of the company covers accidents and any incidents that could happen when it is outside the property.

    To back this up, construction companies are not required to have their tractors or backhoes licensed and insured as road vehicles.

    The same goes for farm equipment, like the clown with the John Deere tractor with a large planter on the back going down the road near here, all he had was a flashing light and a slow vehicle sign.

    No matter what a yard vehicle is just like those others, internal piece of equipment.

    You are crossing a road, which you are allowed to do without having a legal road worthy vehicle. 343

    NOW some will argue with me but they will have to prove that I'm wrong then tell the hundreds of companies that move trailers and equipment between properties they need to license their equipment that is only used on their property for processing and internal transportation.
     
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  6. ZVar

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    Actually it's the other way around. You need to show there is an exception listed in the states laws that allows this, as by default it's not allowed. Heck there are several news articles out there of companies needing special permits for self driving vehicles to cross the road for the same company.
     
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  7. drh72

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    Are you paid by the hour?? If so, I would give every truck a very, very, very thorough inspection! See how long it's required after that!!
     
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  8. Ridgeline

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    Two different issues.

    The yard dogs are not road vehicles, the same as a backhoe or front end loader, they have a minimal requirement - slow vehicle sign and lights. Some places here in Michigan, like Troy, Sterling Heights and a few other cities require (but don't enforce) a vehicle to follow it as part of an accident prevention. For years Troy was the worst city to deal with when it came to moving equipment on the road, at one point you had to clean it so it would not spray dirt and rocks all over the place.

    The self-driving vehicles are a different issue, many of these are being tested with hands off observers, and are road vehicles. There is a test center off of Plymouth and US23, the vehicles there have to be licensed according to the state because they are used on the road.

    On the other hand, at the GM tech center on 12 mile in Warren always had unlicensed cars and trucks crossing the road to get to their prototype facility where they put together those amazing cars. I think it is Dock 12 they would go to, but it has been a while. I have seen cars used unlicensed at the shopping center and even at fast food row a few miles away and no one ever cared.

    You can ask cops what they think, most would tell you what I just said, not a big deal. Most states are like our state, so it isn't hard to figure out.
     
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  9. ZVar

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    First, enforcement and legality are different things. If you want to talk about enforcement I'm 98% with you in that it will be very rare for a company or driver to get in trouble for crossing the road.
    As for the self driving, it's also 100% the same thing. They have to get special waivers to cross a road because they are otherwise illegal to cross said road. Doesn't really matter why they are illegal, they just are.

    It's also funny you bring up GM as I deliver to the Flint plant daily and know / talk to the Precision guys that pull the pickup trucks off the line and either take them to the lots on-site, off-site, or the spray on bed liner place across the street.
    Both semi trucks with tandems all the way back (back when that was illegal in Michigan) have gotten citations for literately crossing Bristol road. From the engine plant gate to ACC lot across the street. There is also the Precision guys that have gotten citations for going across the street to Speedway from the Spielman gate entrance. That's a little more than across the street, it's about 100 yards down the street too....

    And you still haven't shown any exceptions to the laws like you claim.
     
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  10. PaulMinternational

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    You need to be carefull with what one considers a road vehickle or not. Many Yard Dogs are built with the specifications required for road use. They can be legally licensed hence they can’t be compared to all farm vehicles.
    The best advice is to determine your needs, find what laws apply, what exceptions apply then send it to the legal department for clarification.
    Asking a police officer is most likely the worst Idea because the next one might have a different Idea and most cops don’t know 90% of the laws, they only figure things out after an incident occurs.
     
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