Question about doing Yard Moves

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by Moving Forward, Jan 18, 2023.

  1. Moving Forward

    Moving Forward Heavy Load Member

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    Since I'm now driving for a company that's based in a LARGE railroad yard, it seems like I now have a need to start using yard moves but can't find those details within the FMCSA rules.
    So my primary question is can I do a yard move after my 14-hours are up, or do I need to use a 16-hour exception if one is available for me?
    Thank you in advance if anyone can help me understand this.
     
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  3. gokiddogo

    gokiddogo Road Train Member

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    Yard move is line 4, do it til the cows come home. So long as you are always on private property and take the required 10 or 34 off whatever you need before taking a cmv on a public road again. No exception needed.
     
  4. wis bang

    wis bang Road Train Member

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    The HOS regulations all begin with 'shall not drive after' 11/14 without taking 10 off.

    There is no prohibition to working after 11/14 as long as you don't drive [on the roadways] until you take the required 10 hours off duty.

    Working on the dock or yard is line 4 - on duty not driving.

    When you are released from duty you have to take your ten hours off before driving on the roadways.

    If you still have any of your 70 hours left, you can start a new driving shift after ten off.
     
  5. tscottme

    tscottme Road Train Member

    In my research I discovered one guideline the FMCSA uses when determining if a Yard Move is legitimate is the question if the area you are moving restricted from the general public? While a locked gate is obviously one way to keep the public out, it's not the only way. Perhaps a stop sign or a written "Keep Out" sign is enough. FMCSA doesn't consider yard move legitimate at places like a truck stop or Walmart, etc.
     
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  6. wis bang

    wis bang Road Train Member

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    Correct, we had a mix of switchers; half were at customer sites behind the location's security gate/guard while the other half worked from our warehouse and drop lot delivering pre-pulled containers and returning empties to our facility roving around a square mile -or- so. We paid them hourly and considered them all as 100 air-mile exempt.
     
  7. m16ty

    m16ty Road Train Member

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    I would think “restricted from the general public” would be any private property not freely open to the public. There are no signs or gates at my property, but it obviously isn’t open to the public. I can drive all I want on my property and the government has no jurisdiction to police traffic laws on my property.
     
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  8. Moving Forward

    Moving Forward Heavy Load Member

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    That's good to know, because the railroad yard that we load in does have signs and security but not an actual gate.
     
  9. Moving Forward

    Moving Forward Heavy Load Member

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    Thank you all for the above information.
     
  10. tscottme

    tscottme Road Train Member

    While that is reasonable, what is important is not what you and I think but what the FMCSA thinks.
     
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  11. Capacity

    Capacity Road Train Member

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    Put a sheet of tinfoil over the receiver , outlaw til the day i die.
     
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