14 Hour HOS Question

Pay attention to second to last paragraph

 

The language they use is a bit misleading. In those last couple paragraphs they use "7-hour off-duty period" and depend on the reader to understand that that period, as the long break, must be sleeper time. All that paragraph says is that if your long ( sleeper) part of a split extends to 10 hours (some of which can be off-duty) you fully reset your 11/14. It DOES NOT say a 10 hour break containing no sleeper time will fulfill the long split sleeper requirement.

One of the more confusing aspects of HOS rules and discussions has long been when sleeper time is referred to as off-duty. It is off-duty, but of a specific sort, and as that article you quoted shows, referring to a sleeper break as off duty time just adds to the confusion.

 

It's not ELD's that are the problem there. They are simply a more accurate way of recording HOS. It's hours of service that can be a royal pita. Of course remember that hos is there because of abuse by companies. As flawed as it is, it's there to help drivers. Of course that doesn't always work that way, but that's the purpose.
Mr. Reagan said it best. The most feared words are 'We're from the government and are here to help.'

 

I use a Rand McNally, clocks aren't always accurate. The other day drive clock said I had 4 hours of Drive time left. Until Feb 22' I used paper logs. I still keep a rolling estimation in my head while driving. I pulled over for a break. Good thing I parked. I had 10:59 drive time used.

I 've also had the ELD put a red exclamation pointing out a violation on my 14. Go to sleeper get my 10 and the violation disappeared.

. I was inspected (level 1) at weigh station with a violation noted for that day on my ELD. Passed inspection, no violations.

My point is even if the ELD shows violations, they may not be valid.

 

Because the short break doesn't require sleeper time so off-duty, PC, and sleeper all count toward the short break

 

It is not required that seven hours of the 10 hour break be in the sleeper birth to be legal the next day. The seven hour break only Hass to be sleeper berth if you are going to continue in split sleeper birth mode. Taking a full 10 hours off and any combination of off duty or sleeper berth will keep you legal for the next day. Taking a full 10 off is exactly how you cease a sleeper birth cycle, Regardless of off-duty or sleeper berth

 

For the next day yes, but for the split to be valid one must take at least 7 hours in the sb, or there will be a violation for the previous day. Might want to read the regulations already posted and stop spouting incorrect information.

 

The first time it happened was a head scratcher, for sure. Go on duty in the morning and a retroactive violation pops up yesterday? WTH?!? Took a sec to realize what happened.