RGN & LCV Training

Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by Just-A-DumbTruckDriver, Jun 26, 2025.

  1. TripleSix

    TripleSix God of Roads

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    Another word of caution:

    Stretch RGNs are extremely difficult to maneuver. You will be doing MANY wrong way turns.

    A wrong way is when you have to take the entire load into oncoming traffic to make a turn (usually a right turn). Proper procedure, your front pilot car runs down the road, flips a U, comes back towards you to face you, get out of their vehicle with hard hat, hi vis vest and STOP paddle. Just like the road construction people do when they have road work. Pilot cars will be lazy and pull into oncoming traffic and stick that stop paddle out the window. That’s your ticket if a diesel bear catches you. Know the correct way.

    Also, a stretch is extremely easy to high center. Especially if it is near the neck when it drags. If you are pulling a tall load, every time you have to jack around with the height of the load, remeasure the load height. Every. Single. Time.

    Luck in battle.
     
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  3. Just-A-DumbTruckDriver

    Just-A-DumbTruckDriver Bobtail Member

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    All good points... I've had some oversized flatbed loads where road construction was taking place leaving little to no room for me to travel... got the stink eye from the officers directing traffic, but if they wanted to see my permits I would have been covered.
     
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  4. Just-A-DumbTruckDriver

    Just-A-DumbTruckDriver Bobtail Member

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    Trust me - I'm not shooting rainbows out my arse either...

    Because we are contractors I won't see a dime extra, the company see's this as a way of pleasing the customer - if you will. What upper management doesn't know, is how difficult it actually is to become familiar with and eventually excel in RGN loads/procedures. Our company does have some protection in place, but that wouldn't negate the repercussions of a disaster scenario over the road....

    I do not plan on using the jeep or the stinger they acquired, but I just wanted to ask to be prepared and also make our company aware of what certifications may or may not be necessary.

    So.... for regular RGN work (no jeep or stinger) there are no certifications/additional licensing required? Just permitting if we were to go over 81' in length?

    Thanks everyone,
     
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  5. Rontonio

    Rontonio Road Train Member

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    is the trailer an east coast or west trailer?

    it will greatly impact whether you can run it with out the boaster and jeep.
     
  6. Just-A-DumbTruckDriver

    Just-A-DumbTruckDriver Bobtail Member

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    What's even crazier is if/when we acquire a "new" heavier duty tractor we will be likely be over 81' in length with just the tractor and the BARE trailer itself. So even hauling an empty trailer would require permits and escorts where we reside. Its stupid, you don't have to tell me.... lol
     
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  7. Just-A-DumbTruckDriver

    Just-A-DumbTruckDriver Bobtail Member

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    Northeast... which = screwed
     
  8. Rontonio

    Rontonio Road Train Member

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    not what I meant

    Many multiaxle trailers are built with a “west coast” suspension. This involves a set up where the booster pins to the beam on which the trailer axles are mounted. An “east coast” set up the booster will pin to the back of the trailer using pins on the rear trailer structure.
    A west coast trailer will not be conducive to running with out the jeep and booster. It takes a good deal of explaining but just take my word for it.
     
  9. Razororange

    Razororange Road Train Member

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    East coast trailer:
    Booster pins directly to the back of the trailer frame rails. Trailer axles are welded directly to the bottom of the trailer frame.

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    West coast trailer:

    The Booster is pinned to a separate sub frame with the trailer axles on it. That sub frame and booster assembly is then attached to the underside of the main trailer frame with a single large pivot bar.

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    As far as training and requirements you need the double and triple endorsement to pull a jeep and trailer/booster setup. When you go take the test for it you will find out that the test has literally nothing to do with a jeep or booster. It will be all about pulling doubles with a converter dolly like you see behind all the LTL trucks.

    Based on you talking about 81+ ft and LCV I'm guessing you are based in or near NY State. The NY LCV thing is about pulling double 40-53ft trailers on the thruway or pulling triple 28ft pups. It doesn't really apply to the Jeep/trailer/booster setup.

    There is no special endorsement or training to pull a normal or stretch RGN. As far as DOT is concerned it is just a really long and low flatbed. All the normal flatbed securement rules still apply.

    There's 0 chance I would pull a multiaxle setup like that for the same amount of money as a normal flatbed. The work, liability, knowledge, and skills required are worth way more than standard pay.
     
  10. Just-A-DumbTruckDriver

    Just-A-DumbTruckDriver Bobtail Member

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    Thank you for all the valuable information... the setup they have for the trailer is in fact an east coast style.

    I'm willing to learn/train on pulling the RGN, but I have zero intent on using the jeep/stinger... in fact based upon the information you gave me we are not qualified, which gives me ammunition against doing so. I honestly wouldn't mind learning and training with a jeep/stinger if I had the proper person training me, but that is far from the case.
     
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