Mexican Bus Safety
Discussion in 'Mexican Truckers Forum' started by Prof.Gringo, Mar 5, 2010.
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What nightmare would there be, and what would the make or model have to do with anything.
Models sold in Mexico include Renault, which used to be sold here, ditto for Peugeot and a Spanish marque by the name of SEAT. SEAT also produces world class Formula One racers.
The reason these are not sold in the US is the manufacturers choose not to jump through the hoops the EPA throws at them.
The insurance they carry in Mexico is in some cases valid in the US and in the cases where it's not, they buy trip insurance at the border. Insurance no different that what we have on our cars.
Myself, I buy Mexican insurance on an annual basis that covers me for EVERYTHING. Mexicans are no differentProf.Gringo Thanks this. -
it is not only EPA standards, but also DOT safety standards, and not complying with them and having an accident would be my concern.
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Mexican buses and for that matter, class 7 and 8 trucks built and used in Mexico are built to European standards, which are very similar to FHWSA standards. Same for the cars mentioned in my earlier post.
I've looked to try to find the differences that preclude some of the buses, such as Volvo's, Scania's and Mercedes Benz, from not meeting FHWSA standards and it's all gobbledy gook.
What is interesting, when compared to a MCI (Motor Coach Industries) which is what Greyhound uses or Prevost, popular with charter companies in the US, Volvo, Scania and Mercedes Benz are historically better built and safer buses. Structural integrity, Electronic stability controls and automatic fire suppression systems in the motor compartment which American buses don't have.
The cars, sold all over Europe and South America. Not sold here because of stupid EPA rulings that shorten the life of the engine and decrease fuel mileage.Prof.Gringo and Diesel Dave Thank this. -
True, many European brands are sold in Mexico and the rest of Latin America which can't be had in the USA.
Don't forget, FIAT from Italy is also sold in Mexico.
FAW from China is going to open a new factory in Mexico to produce Chinese designed models for the Mexican/Latin markets. They hope to someday export them to the US market via NAFTA.
Also all of the big 3 US car makers have plants in Mexico. So many of those US cars are actually made in Mexico. Ford has a plant just north of Mexico City. Chrysler has a major plant in Toluca, Mexico State.
VW also builds almost all models sold in the US in it's massive Puebla, Mexico plant, a few hours east of Mexico City.
Nothing wrong at all with intercity Mexican buses, BTW.Diesel Dave Thanks this. -
I don't get you...
One moment you're bashing somebody when they state European buses are just as good as the US ones, but you then go on to bash the USPS and Amtrak... in favor of Europe!
Grand Central Station is in NYC.
Union Station is in LA.
Yeah, let's get rid of Amtrak, cause you didn't like it... Having it all in the hands of big, greedy corporations results in a win-win for everybody, right? Let's take a look at the low airfare rates, great service and safety first attitude of US airlines. Or how about Wal-Mart, I love how they pay decent wages, offer promotions and benefits to their employees while selling quality American made products and giving back to their local communities. What a joke!
Funny, Amtrak was actually created by a Republican president (Nixon) and a Democratic congress.
I think we should be far more worried about why the Republican party of Richard Nixon's day wouldn't even want him today and why we have divided the country along red/blue state lines...
You wanna blame Mexico and Mexicans, nah, blam Americans and America. It's US companies and CEO's that shut American factories for lower labor costs. It's American consumers that didn't support American jobs and boycott US firms that outsourced their plants off US soil. Blame US politicans (both Repubs and Dems) for creating laws that ended US tariffs on imports from Communist dictatorships and gave tax breaks to US companies that shut US plants and relocated them to Central America (that was Mr. Reagan).
I would prefer to buy American anyday, but kinda hard when few things are made American anymore.
At least I understand the history of US manufacturing and outsourcing of recent years. Most Americans are too stupid and uninformed to even have a clue.
A US company outsources its production to factory in the PRC, where workers live in dorms and make about $70-130 per month. Those products are shipped (by rail or truck) to the major Chinese ports, where they are loaded by container onto non-US flagged (but US owned) ships usually made in S. Korea, China or India (Panama and Liberia are very popular registries, which is like owning a tractor-trailer in the US made in China, but having it plated in Liberia, Africa, and the US govt. is more than OK with that). The mostly 3rd world crew (Filipinos, Indians and Indonesians lead the crew registries) which work 12 hour days, 7 days a week during a 10-14 month contract and often make between $600-$1,200 (officers make $1,200 a month if lucky) per month transport those goods to the US ports where they are not even allowed to have a port call. Finally those goods finally make their way (by train and truck) to your local Wal-Mart where non-union almost minimum wage (Wally World always pays about 0.25 above the min. wage so they can gloat they have "no" minimum wage jobs) stock and sell them to dumb@$$ American consumers that have no clue about any of this.
Don't be worried about Mexico. Not even China. Be very worried about India... -
They sell FAW's at Elektra
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Looking back at this thread, it's interesting this comment.
When they mention DOT or actually FHWA Safety standards, people think something drastically different.
Was just reading an article about the re-introduction of the Fiat 500C into America.
One of the things needed to meet FHWA safety standards was the tail lights had to be .012 cm bigger than the European models for visibility. Anyone know what .012 cm comes out to in US lingo?
Also, interior design had to be changed to comply. Instead of the common european "tray" a glovebox had to be added. This so delicate American's wouldn't possibly hurt themselves on sharp or square edges.
Silly simple things such as that.
And the Fiat 500C, ugly little critter that it is, has been around for more than 60 years.
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