On duty rules as regards to hourly employee

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  1. Qtr23

    Qtr23 Bobtail Member

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    I currently work in an hourly position that is paid overtime. The problem I am having is my employer expects me to be at the delivery point in the dock the night before for delivery first thing in the morning which itself i have no issue with. The issue is that the Delivery say starts at 8am they expect me to be clocked out and off duty not getting paid until the delivery is complete which could be 30 mins to 6 hours or so. I dont feel this is legal. If i need to be there in case the shipper needs anything or has issues or anything at all and im not free to leave the truck am I not ON duty? Thoughts?
     
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  3. Allow Me.

    Allow Me. Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    So you're not on the clock until delivery is complete, right ? (According to employer). Since you must attend to the truck and load while getting un-loaded, I agree with you, you are on the clock. Just my thoughts
     
  4. brianv31

    brianv31 Light Load Member

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    The way your question is worded, it sounds like you're mostly concerned about compensation, but it's using HOS terminology. If you're just concerned about your compensation, yes it sounds like the agreement you have in place has provisions where you are responsible for the load without being compensated somehow for it.
     
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  5. Powder Joints

    Powder Joints Subjective Prognosticator

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    Hourly position, required to be there = pay me, even if off duty if your hourly and required then require they pay you.

    On duty is on duty, hourly or not. Unless you are realeased from all responsibilities, If you are driving a sleeper, anytime spent in the sleeper can be logged as that just make sure your getting paid.

    I worked for Centerline driver Inc., They would send me out on runs that required me to lay hangout waiting for the driver to switch with, sometimes they were there when I arrived, sometimes I would have to wait, If I had to wait they paid for hotel room, and hourly rate continued till I was back in Los Angeles and no longer responsible for the equipment, this was true also when they wouldsend me out on Whole Foods, UPS, Toyota Autoparts, etc, as I was a Hourly employee.
    I also stopped for breaks and meals.
     
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  6. dosgatos

    dosgatos Medium Load Member

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    Might depend on the state. I was domiciled in California hourly otr 48 state and Canada about 10 years ago. Employer couldn't tell us when to go on or off duty as long as we didn't run out the clocks. Basically on duty for 14, off duty and sleeper for 10. Took the 30 minute break off duty. It was up to the driver to decide when to start the clock or go off duty. I liked 5am to 7pm. Planers and dispatch did not like it. Most drivers were paid by the mile. Only the CA drivers were hourly. Owner had bought the business without knowing the California drivers were grandfathered in on hourly. Stopped hiring from CA after the first year. Had to wait for the California drivers to retire or quit.
    I think technically you are supposed to be on duty to hand off the bills.
     
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  7. buzzarddriver

    buzzarddriver Road Train Member

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    Need a few answers.
    1. Are you driving a truck with a sleeper?
    2. At what time would you back into the dock the night before?
    3. Are you required to attend the unloading process, like opening the trailer door/s? Take paperwork into the receiver's office? Watch the receiver unload the product? Help the receiver unload the product?
     
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  8. Ridgeline

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    Not legal, if you have control of the truck and can't go home, then you are paid.

    If your employer pulls this crap, file a complaint with your department of labor.
     
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  9. Qtr23

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    Sleeper Truck, usually 1-4 stops. Typically go out and stay overnight in the lot of my first delivery.
    Most places i back in their dock if im the first appoitnment in the mornign with the doors open already and leave the paperwork in the back.
    If there are any issues with the freight, missing paperwork, questions about anything they will come knock on my truck. Also i need to leave as soon as they are done to let other trucks in but i never know when that will be so i have to basically be on the ready from when they start unloading to when they are done and i leave. They only pay my hourly wage based on when im logged into my ELD and not off-duty or sleeper birth. So what i have been doing is once its delivery time i'm on duty, but recently i have seen hours missing from some mornings and they changed it without even telling me.
     
  10. Diesel Dave

    Diesel Dave Last Few of the OUTLAWS

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    Seems to me there trying to keep your hours intact without being in violation, that’s why they don’t want you to clock in so you have those extra hours on your clock BUT, you should be getting paid waiting to get loaded or unloaded for what your describing. You better have a good talk with Human Resources!if they have one, or jump ship.
     
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  11. Grumppy

    Grumppy Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    Here's my understanding. I'm not saying its right but it's the way I understand the situation.

    This industry works on a milage system because it exempts companies & drivers from the standard hourly wage rules. Millage rules are totally different. You are paid by mileage... end of story. I'm not sure that the company is legally required to pay an employee any wages for hourly work while performing truck driving duties like, loading & unloading. Most companies do it to retain their drivers. If you are on an hourly wage, you are under the rules of hourly pay. You get over time and as long as you are required to be there, they are required to pay you. In the case of in the sleeper, you are considered "On Call" and are required to be paid..... as long as you are required to be on location. That's the key wording... If "you are required to be on location".

    Every industry may be different and have specific rules. I am not sure about the trucking industry as I dont run hourly.

    A couple of examples. Fire fighters are not required to be paid for sleep time. However, most fire fighters are paid salary, so that takes care of that. But even those paid hourly, arent required to be paid for sleep time. That's an industry that has specific rules for these things.

    There was a local case a few years back where a funeral home hired some college kids to come to the funeral home and sit while waiting "On Call" in the event someone passed away, they could take the hearse and pick up the body. But the company did not pay the kids for idle time.... ONLY the time they actually worked. They sued saying they were required to be paid under the Federal Labor Standards act. The funeral home argued in court that the kids were able to study using the funeral home like a study hall etc. In other words, they could use that time to do what the wanted while at the funeral home. there were no other required duties like sweeping the floors etc. They could use it for personal time. The kids argued that they were still required to be "On Location" and couldn't leave even for food or any other reason. The funeral home argued that the kids were ONLY "On Call" not required to perform extra duties, which is not a requirement for wages.
    In the end, the court ruled that because they were required to be "On Location" for "On Call" duties, they were required to be paid while on call... on location. If they were required to be on call, but not on location, they had no recourse for payment.

    However, the funeral industry is not the trucking industry, so I don't know if there are specific rules governing hourly pay, while on call, yet required to be on location.

    In my opinion/understanding, generally speaking, you should be getting paid if you are required... if its mandatory... that you remain on location with the load and equipment.... sleeping or not... and getting paid hourly.

    There maybe some rule about "On call" pay while on location for a special reduced rate. However, keep this in mind, there will always be a way around this for the employer. If you push this, they may put you on per mile and pay you for only your short milage, or on salary, then you'll be stuck with sleeping in the truck with no recourse for payment.. etc.
    On the other hand, you could sue and they'd have to pay you up to 2 years back pay if you win the case. That's an option. Not a guarantee.
     
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