Looking for advice on which route I should go. Here's the situation I'm in:
I've got a 1997 International 9800sfa cabover with a GK block. Upgraded to DDEC4 (Serial #: 06R0322843... Mfg. Date: Nov. 1996)
I've only owned it for about 35k miles. Blow-by doesn't seem excessive at all given it's a Detroit but there is a little oil coming out of blow by tube. (About 1" puddle after 8hrs of idling @ 1100rpm on cold nights) Also has a lot of wet oil around front of head gasket on both sides. And I attempted to reseal the oil pan with new gasket, silicone on corners, and new rubber isolators. But the underside is still pretty wet. Previous owner pulled container in Jacksonville. A lot of idling. About 50% idle time according to the ECM.
Where I'm getting at is I'm adding a gallon of oil about every 2,500mi. She's getting tired.
I am adamant about doing a complete out of frame rebuild. I want every single part and accessory to be brand new. There's a shop near me (Diesel Machine Services in Amherst, WI) that has a machine shop and the whole works. Been rebuilding 12.7's forever. They will strip it down to the block. Clean it up. Machine anything if necessary. $100/hr labor rate. I think that's the route I am going to go. But here's the caveat:
I can buy a junk Volvo off a family friend. About $2500. Its got a running MK block (Serial 06R0477735... Mfg Date Jan 1999). I called the dealer and got part numbers. They both have the open end Connecting rods with bolt-on wrist pins. So the MK block must have the oil nozzles plugged. So both engines have DDEC IV, same connecting rod / wrist pin style, good crank, etc. I plan on tuning the ECM so I don't care about the LoNox tune that I'm sure the MK has. The pistons are getting swapped anyway. Does anyone know off hand if they would have the same cam? I may have to call dealer again for the cam part number.
What platform would you guys build on? I want anywhere around 550-650hp. Plan is to baby it for good fuel mileage. I would have all the goodies. (OPS oil bypass, AirDogg Fuel Filter, BW 171702, Full Tilt Manifold) The only benefit I see with going through the hassle of the MK block is that I can add piston cooling nozzles. But I would have to change the connecting rods to the closed-end style. Which then I would use the updated, Post-2000 rods that have the oil passage for additional lubrication to the wrist pins. But ideally, I could just keep my GK and the old-style open end rods with bolt-on pins would be enough to cool the pistons @ 600ish HP. If not, just out of curiosity, what's the comfortable spot for horsepower on a GK with open end connecting rods and no nozzles? What do you guys think?
Thanks in advance
@Rideandrepair @benjamin260_6 @jamespmack
600hp Build - GK or MK Block? Detroit Series 60 12.7
Discussion in 'Heavy Duty Diesel Truck Mechanics Forum' started by BrandedBull, Feb 18, 2026.
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The leak in front by head may be due to the lack of a support bracket they added around 2000. It supports the front structure. Upper left (drivers) side. Bottom leaking may be from the front and rear structures also. Along with main seals.
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My late 99 MK has oil coolers, basically the same as BK, but different injectors. I have it at 550/1950.
I remember reading that without oil nozzles it's not recommended going above 500BrandedBull and Rideandrepair Thank this. -
Can you show a pic of that bracket? I don't think I have it and it might be a good idea to get oneRideandrepair Thanks this.
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No picture. It’s located above the compressor, behind the air intake tube. Elbow corner bracket. Maybe 10” high, 8” wide. Bolts onto block just below the head, and into the upper rear portion of the inner front structure. My 99 didn’t have it. A friends 2000 was recalled and installed under warranty. My current 2000 has it. It’s a different blue color, than the engine green.DUNE-T, BrandedBull and Big Road Skateboard Thank this.
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Here it is @DUNE-T
Big bracket goes left side of head to front cover. The small bracket goes on the pass side top of head to front cover, and replaces a small L bracket that was used thereDUNE-T, BrandedBull and Rideandrepair Thank this. -
I've seen and heard the same thing. The part that is a little confusing to me is there is still pressurized oil spraying the underside of the piston with the GK and MK style rods/pins. So why are the nozzles that much better? I guess my only theory is, maybe the rod and pin get heat-soaked from the piston a little, warming the oil up by the time it reaches the piston. Compared to the cooler oil coming out of the nozzles. There's gotta be a reason, given that Detroit goes the nozzle route on the factory higher HP engines.
You said your MK had nozzles? Do you think that was factory? What was the factory HP on your engine? Are you liking the 550?Rideandrepair Thanks this. -
From my research all the MK engines started to have oil nozzles starting in the 2nd half of 99, so yes, mine are factory, checked by serial number.
My factoring tune was 430hp, even though on the engine label it says 470hp.
The truck was a turd, never got above 6.5mpg.
Now it's amazing, with light loads I get to 8mpg and pulling power is great.
I had a tune from Leon, did not like it, truck was black smoking like crazy. Switched to Fernando's from DCS and really happy with it. Tried 702 turbo also, but switched to k31Rideandrepair and Big Road Skateboard Thank this. -
Not claiming to be an expert but from my experience and digging here are my thoughts.
1. If you are going to spend the money on an out of frame, and want 550 to 650 hp, go with a block with piston coolers. 500hp is the limit without piston coolers. I think if you get a BK kit you will get the correct rods too.
2. Turbo wise, 1702 works great for 600-650hp depending on your gear ratio and your transmission.
A K31 might be a better choice if you are not running heavy.
Let me explain.
If you want higher hp but want milage too. You are probably looking at a 13 or 18 speed with double OD. This means your cruising rpms are going to be low. My experience is a 1702 doesn't spool very fast at 1150 rpms. A K31 will spool faster at a1150 rpms.
Now if you have a 10 speed and same hearing you will probably be at 1250 rpms as an example and the 1702 will spool quicker.
Realize 1702s are big enough to provide lots of boost on 15 liter motors.
3. Mpg is a more complex configuration than most guys want to think about.
Are you running light?. 80k? 100+?, empty some?
What tire size 24.5s or 22.5s?
Great Ratio? 390s 355s 323s
Your mph range 50 to 75?
Transmission 10, 13, 15 or auto?
Flat ground, hills, or mountains?
All of this is needed to factor in when when getting your rpms around 1300 so that when you roll your foot, the engine fuels and spools fast and you don't just smoke and choke till you get into the "power range".
There are lots of good shops that can build you what you ask for in a motor as far as hp goes.
If you are going to spend the money on an out of frame 100% new engine make sure it matches the rest of your truck and your hauling needs.
If you want more info I would be glad to talk to you.
I like 12.7s. It just seems sometimes folks want the results of a 14.7 or a 15 liter out of a 12.7 and are disappointed after spending 40k on a rebuild.Rideandrepair Thanks this. -
I’m disappointed in the 702. Engines dead under 1300 rpm. Should have gotten the k31Big Road Skateboard Thanks this.
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