Unfortunately they can evolve that way.
I grew up in the San Jose, CA area.
The runways were Kinda close to what is now highway 880, but had some shelter type tie-downs between the highway and the runway. They had extended the runways as far as they could toward Highway 101.
In the 1970s they terminated all the leases to the private plane parking after designating it a commercial only airport. The city then did immanent domain purchases of all the old houses, apartments, and anything over 2 stories on the approach path across the 880 highway, A few low population density stuff was allowed to stay, like mini storage and 2 person machine shop. The city paid for and did sound proofing upgrades to stuff close to but not in the imminent domain zone. They did put up some walls between the runway and the freeway to deflect the 880 freeway to deflect the jet thrust, also a good deterrent to coming in too low over the highway.
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can you imagine calling this accident into your safety department??
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I want to see the reasoning dispatch is going to use to call this a preventable accident.
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That runway (and Newark Airport as a whole) was around long before there was such a thing as I-95.
In fact Newark Liberty was the country’s FIRST commercial airport.
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There are far more pilots flying airliners now without the standard 3-5 times legal minimum for the license, as was the case decades ago. 2 big changes happened in aviation because of prominent crashes, the 1,500 hour rule and global expansion of airlines. For most of history a new airline pilot needed 3-5 times as many hours as the FAA required to even apply for a job at airline. Women and minorities started getting a big boost once affirmative action and DEI took hold. When I graduated college, a smaller airline that hired frineds of mine was requring white male applicants to have either 1,500 or 3,000 hours of prior experience flying certain type of aircraft. Women and minorities would be given credit for half that amount. Meaning they could apply with 750 hours or 1,500 hours of real life experience. Then airline expansion exploded and they sudden;y needed twice or three times as many pilots. So airlines started hiring almost every applicant without a felony or DUI. The a Colgan Air crashed in upstate NY and recorders showed the 2 pilots grossly mishandled the problems and caused the crash. Now FAA requires every airline pilot to have 1,500 hours of experience to fly airliners. Hiring pool shrank overnight, while expansion was continuing. Do airlines created Academies ( think trucking company sponsored CDL schools) and they greatly increased advertising and hiring of DEI candidates. There are now a sizable number of airline pilots flying the big airlines with only the experience of flying training aircraft for 1,500 hours, a weeks/months long indoctrination to airline aircraft and they are now flying passengers. Those pilots don't have the years and years of flying junk airplanes in bad weather and getting the seasoning that converts them from human robot to experienced pilot. So we now see stupid accidents. I believe the crew of this United jet are white men. Also in the past 6-9 accidents, DEI pilots are about 10% of airline pilots and they are half of pilots involved in incidents. It's likely it reflects lack of experience, but they also don't have the family tradition and focus on flying that past pilots got because it required years of family support or family connection to complete the long process.
What we see in trucking with newbies is going on in all industries. The Competence Crisis is what happens with the smartphone generation work in the real world.DannyB Thanks this. -
True maybe a combination of both now. That said im actully trying to transition from trucker to pilot and doing it the slow way so trust me i see everything you said. And well i know with me trying to get my CPL its around $500 an hour and i need 40 for my PPL then the 1500 to CPL and most of the big airlines wont touch a non accademy grad with less then 5k. Some of the little ones doing "skut work" will snap me up at 1500 at least. Ya know the small cargo, pipeline checks ect.
Aalso this is according my FI and what ive run across in person is most of the accademy cadits going through the same school for hours i use (the accademys hire my schools planes esentially) have 6 figure debt by the time they are pushed through with minimal earning the first few years and more then 2/3rds of those are rejected at the end anyway which scares off an alarming amount of applicants for obvious reasons. And many of the ones who stay have an attitude like you would not belive. I actully had one who spat at me for doing my preflight by the book and told me only idiots waste that much time on a clearly fine plane.
But your correct. Its not any ONE thing. Its a combination and its getting bad society wide. Want a white collar job? Job requirments a mile long. Have those requirments? Job has been filled by someone elsebecause your too expsnsive. Its insane. And its getting common to hear of guys putting in thousands of applications for MONTHS in some fields for entry level. Some companys are even floating internships....where you PAY the company.
It also doesnt help so many companys find the idea of training someone to be torture so refuse to do so unless absolutely nessesary. only to turn around and find everyone who knew how to do X is gone and they have no plan now.mjd4277 Thanks this. -
That’s another part of the issue,many people who wanted to pursue a career as a pilot were/are unable to do so because of funding needed.
I myself actually considered pursuing a professional pilot career,but the problem was at that time you to budget $50-$60K. And that’s IF you could get student loans-and this was before the 1500 hour rule went into effect. Before then a lot of the major airlines would get some of their pilots from the military but that pool even was drying up. Some of the pilots go overseas (Asia,the Middle East in particular) to airlines where they can get the flight time and training necessary to become a first officer or captain,without all the red tape here stateside. -
Look at Liberty/Newark on Google earth. Runway 29 approach apron start is at the southbound service lane. It is only 6725 ft long while the other two are 11,000 feet and 10,000 feet long. Planes have to hit the touchdown area and quickly brake.
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That particular runway is used for mostly landings by regional aircraft/turboprops when crosswinds are blowing.
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