Struggling with operating cost formula!

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by OMNI, Jul 20, 2010.

  1. OMNI

    OMNI Bobtail Member

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    Im starting my own trucking company. We specialize in contract hazmat chemical (mini-bulk) transportation to areas where large tankers can't access. Such as water treatment plants at lakes, oil/gas wells out on dirt roads, etc. I have the contracts now and have contracted a tanker company to move these loads for the last few years. Now I want to hire my own guys and trucks to move these loads. But Im REALLY struggling with putting together the operating costs. Im not sure what figures Im supposed to be using or how to determine costs. Could someone take a look at what Ive put together and give me a little insight?

    Over the last 3 years, we averaged 18,000 miles per year hauling these loads. Not a lot of miles, I know, but they are higher profit loads. I have to know what it is going to cost me to run this truck per mile so that I can make a spreadsheet to enter in the miles for each quote and know what it will cost to run that particular load to wherever its going.


    Truck Pymt: 24120.00/year = $1.34/mi
    Insurance 5000/year = $0.28/mi
    Fuel: 9818/year = $0.55/mi
    Tags/Taxes 4500/year = $0.25/mi
    Driver 25000/year = $1.39/mi
    Maint. 8000/year = $0.44/mi

    Total 76438 $4.25/mi




    Sales 76724

    Expenses 76438

    Net Profit 286


    Seems like shelling out close to $150k for a truck and having the risk hanging out there for $286/year ($9/mo profit!?) isnt worth it!

    Any thoughts on this?
     
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  3. OMNI

    OMNI Bobtail Member

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    I know a lot of you guys are out on the road and dont get to check in very often but if you do, let me know what you think of these numbers and how close I am. It seems pretty high but Im not sure.
     
  4. dairyman

    dairyman <b> Hopper Thread Greeter</b>

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    Well,i don't want to sound like a know-it-all,but just looking at your miles,why not just drive the truck yourself and put the $25000 in your pocket? Your just talking about 1500 miles/month. If you can't or don't want to drive yourself,i'm sure their are some folks that would run 1 day/week as a part-time gig for less money. just my .02
     
  5. mitchtazz

    mitchtazz Road Train Member

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    thought about getting a cheaper truck? or two just encase one goes down you'll have another one and wont have to rent from Ryder, or just get one keep it running and when it's down for maintenance rent from Ryder..
     
  6. end of the road

    end of the road Heavy Load Member

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    Charge more money.

    Is $25K per year enough for a driver? Did you consider things like Vacation Pay, Employment benefits, WCB.

    If you can't make at least 10 points why bother. It is a business not a hobby
     
  7. losttrucker

    losttrucker Road Train Member

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    I think if you are paying a guy 25k for 18,000 miles a year....hell I'll come work for you!!!
     
  8. Lilbit

    Lilbit Road Train Member

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    Doesn't sound like those loads pay enough to warrant getting your own trucks and drivers, unless they pay more than what you have in there. Don't forget about the following:

    Employer match on Social Security and Medicare, Unemployment taxes, Work comp insurance, IFTA, Operating Authority, UCRA, Heavy Highway Use Tax, Fed med exams, drug testing, office expenses, and the list goes on. Some of these you may have already covered under your taxes and tags category. With those numbers you show, you will need to drive the truck yourself or continue with your current arrangement.

    I just finished putting together the numbers for a trucking operation for my husband, which is on hold since he is injured. Of course we are looking at long haul refrigerated, but the same basics are there. I have the spread sheet I just put together, and I'm pretty sure I covered everything for our plans.
     
  9. Marlin46

    Marlin46 Medium Load Member

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    There are many on here who can give you a spreadsheet however the first mistake ( IMO ) is that you are talking about $150,000 for a truck / trailer. With the economy the way it is the used equipment market has some incredible deals right now. More than likely for an operation that is going to turn 18,000 miles per year you should be looking at a truck / tanker for around $50,000 which would reduce the truck payment significantly and increase net revenue. Additonally if you go through the operation of getting your own authority offer the driver an incentive to pull a load off a board every once in a while ( maybe power only ) and offer him 25&#37; of the load. As obviously at 18,000 miles per year this couldnt be a full time gig. Insurance for Haz-Mat may run you higher than $5,000 per year is another point you may want to research a little more or I can research it for you.
     
    Lilbit Thanks this.
  10. cpape

    cpape Desk Jockey

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    It is all about utilization of assets. If you can't put more miles on the truck, I would continue to hire someone else. They probably have several customers like you and are able to utilize their assets and be more efficient. I certainly wouldn't invest a dime toward that $150K rig for the margins you are talking about.
     
  11. OMNI

    OMNI Bobtail Member

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    Thanks for everyones insight. I should have mentioned this in the beginning, but the truck is a specialized triple axle tank mounted on a straight truck Sterling LT9500. The chemicals go to water plants that are impossible to get to with a trailer and truck.

    I assumed 25k for 18,000 miles a year contract pay was sufficient??

    I cant drive the truck because I have a full time job and would cause a severe cut in pay if I was to quit and start driving. I design the chemicals that go to the plants and am starting a company to fill the gap between the manufacturer and the customer.

    I think that cpape has it right, utilizing the assets to the full extent would be the only way to come out ahead which would mean that Id have to hire a salesman to go out and talk to the other chemical companies and secure loads to keep the truck busy.

    Theres really not any other option besides this $115000 truck/tank because it has to be special built out of 316L stainless.

    Im starting to wonder if this is still a viable option or not...
    Thanks for everyones help


    EDIT: After speaking with the rep that is proposing the tanker truck, we have decided to start searching for a SS food grade used tanker and a day cab instead of the custom triple axle tanker setup. For two reasons, Ive spoke with some of my other contacts in the chemical industry and they are on board with sending loads my way but their minimums are 4000 gallons and the tanktruck would have only held 2500-3000 depending on specific gravity. Also, there are a number of used tankers available that would fit my needs for significantly less upfront money. It looks to be under $70k for a daycab and Tanker. Quick math on this shows that I can add roughly 9 loads a week to my own loads and that would help make up the lake of miles and get the revenue up.

    Thanks again for everyones help, this isnt looking as disparaging as it originally looked now thanks to everyones help and PM's.
     
    Last edited: Jul 21, 2010
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