Drinking limit

I got in here a tad late! Most of you know me as a hard arse with some things and it's going to show in this subject as it me is a very touchy subject for me!

Again a useless discussion on what's the limit on driving after drinking ANY alcohol! There are several other alcohol related threads in here and they all go the exact same way! Some yoyo tries to justify any reason or be shown in writing how to be behind the wheel of ANY vehicle with any alcohol in your system or to throw your leg over a bike in the same condition!

WHY would you think that drinking and driving is a smart thing to do? HMMM?
Then to argue about this STUPID idea that the "book" says after 4 or 8 hours you can drive? NOT with ANY alcohol in that system it's not! Screw that .04 crapola!

USE THAT BRAIN FOR SOMETHING OTHER THAN A WEIGHT TO KEEP YOUR ARSE STUCK TO THE GROUND!

Look at it this way:

#1 You paid stupid money to get the CDL! (Most of you did anyway)

#2 This is how you make your living now by driving so why risk that POS plastic card in your wallet , a ton of money for fines, jail, lawyer and auto insurance just for a stupid cheap high!

NOT to mention if it's the companies truck and it gets towed because you just HAD to have a beer, two things will happen. I guarantee that you won't get a last pay check as that company will keep it for the tow bill and I bet you won't get another driving job for at least 5 years! And that bus ticket won't be cheap or fun!

#3 why would you even get into a CMV with alcohol in your system? That is stupid and then to argue with a cop about it is even more stupid as you should know by now if you're over the age of puberty that you just do not win an argument with a cop! Unless you're a complete moron to begin with!

The argument is a moot point! Drinking even with 1 beer or beverage in your system is not a smart idea! Just the hassle of doing a roadside sobriety test is degrading and pointless. If you HAVE to have that drink before you get into or on something with wheels and an engine you have a problem! And that stupid CSA 2010 comment about they don't use a ticket in a car against your CSA 2010 score? What bunk! That's a losers excuse to drink and drive!

Yeah, bars are fun but it's more fun watching the fools fall on the floor, fight over the ugly women, hug Johnny and yell for RALLLLPH, visit a nice cozy jail for a night or two and throw good money out the window for that oh so fun time getting others to "hold my beer and watch this!"

Drink while at home or have that designated driver to get you home! Why take a chance with those stupid numbers of .04 or what ever! Is it really worth it? NO it's not! Just do NOT do it around me as I'll be the first one to call that 911 number to have your arse pulled off the road where me, my wife, children and friends drive! Done it before and will do it again! That's your other worry! Being seen and called in!

 

GasHauler,
Sorry it took me so long to get back to this...I've had a very busy week, but this thread has been in the back of my mind as unfinished business. No Sir, I did not construe your post as being an attack of any kind (trust me, my skin isn't that thin). My only intent in asking if your comment regarding links was intended specifically for me was to clarify expectations.

When I wrote my original post I thought that providing the reference to the DUI sections in each of the 6 state codes would be sufficient information to support the point that I was trying to make. I do however understand and appreciate what you have said about providing actual links to the information cited.

Please stand-by for one more post.

 

Arizona
http://www.azleg.state.az.us/arizonarevisedstatutes.asp?title=28
California
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/vc/tocd11c12a2.htm
Idaho
http://legislature.idaho.gov/idstat/Title18/T18CH80.htm
Nevada
http://www.leg.state.nv.us/NRS/NRS-484C.html
Oregon
http://www.leg.state.or.us/ors/813.html
Washington
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?Cite=46

As requested...in an effort to be as helpful as possible.
If you and I ever get to meet eyeball to eyeball (in your neck of the woods or mine) and you tell me that you actually read each of these state DUI statutes...the coffee and Excedrin are on me. =

 

edit: I skimmed your post and got what you were trying to say backwards. Posted this to prove you wrong, until I reread your original post and realized that you weren't saying what I thought you were.


While my opinion is that .04 and .08 are so close, there is no point in risking it, I am very interested in the legal side of it all.

Not reading them all, but this is from Oregon, with the important part being 2a, 2b, and 2c...

 

Precisely!
(B) 0.04 percent or more by weight if the person was driving a commercial motor vehicle
Thanks...RL4T

 

I concur!......

 

I'm looking at the BAC chart I received today with my new license.

I'm not arguing, I'm quoting:

It is illegal to drive with a BAC that is .08% or more (.04% or more if you drive commercial vehicles ... )

Now let's be clear on what it says, that is what defines the law. It does not say "If you were driving ..." or "If you are driving ..." it says if you drive. Any vehicle, any time.

Again, I'm not arguing.

This is quoted from the CA Alcohol Impairment Chart.

I'm not arguing. I don't care what you do. You do what you do and if you lose your job and I like it better than the one I currently have I'll gladly apply for it.

I don't think a beer or two is worth losing my job and occupation for a year. But you are welcome to risk yours.

 

Capt,
I'm not arguing either...just quoting.
Difference is that I'm quoting the law (California Vehicle Code) rather than an informational card that the DMV included with your (and every other California driver's license renewal).

V C Section 23152 Driving Under Influence of Alcohol or Drugs


Driving Under Influence of Alcohol or Drugs

23152. (a) It is unlawful for any person who is under the influence of any alcoholic beverage or drug, or under the combined influence of any alcoholic beverage and drug, to drive a vehicle.
(b) It is unlawful for any person who has 0.08 percent or more, by weight, of alcohol in his or her blood to drive a vehicle.
For purposes of this article and Section 34501.16, percent, by weight, of alcohol in a person's blood is based upon grams of alcohol per 100 milliliters of blood or grams of alcohol per 210 liters of breath.
In any prosecution under this subdivision, it is a rebuttable presumption that the person had 0.08 percent or more, by weight, of alcohol in his or her blood at the time of driving the vehicle if the person had 0.08 percent or more, by weight, of alcohol in his or her blood at the time of the performance of a chemical test within three hours after the driving.
(c) It is unlawful for any person who is addicted to the use of any drug to drive a vehicle. This subdivision shall not apply to a person who is participating in a narcotic treatment program approved pursuant to Article 3 (commencing with Section 11875) of Chapter 1 of Part 3 of Division 10.5 of the Health and Safety Code.
(d) It is unlawful for any person who has 0.04 percent or more, by weight, of alcohol in his or her blood to drive a commercial motor vehicle, as defined in Section 15210.


I don't think that a beer or two is worth risking a career either. I've already stated that drinking any amount of alcohol and then operating any class of vehicle is ill advised. However; if we are going to engage in an academic discussion they we want to be accurate.

Not recommending that anyone should test the limits, just a discussion of what the legal limits are.

 

Good enough for me. It's moot for me as I don't drink anyway but certainly would not with the risk of losing my work.

Just so we are square ... if we ever land at the same TA I'll buy you a donut.