I hate CSA 2010 Period!

Chromedome, so if you get pulled for say speeding or a light burnt out there will be no CSA record of it if an inspection doesn't take place?..

 

Ticket has to be issued while in a CMV. Regarding who issues the ticket, I'm not exactly clear on that...however, keep in mind the locals have been getting their guys trained up on DOT stuff.

Any ticket in a personal vehicle does not count against your CSA2010. BUT!!! If you get a ticket and then don't pay it, your license will be suspended or revoked. If your license is suspended or revoked, you are not allowed (obviously) to drive a CMV. In this particular case, the driver is unqualified to drive a CMV because his license is not valid. This hits the carrier hard. But it only stays on the carrier for two years. Anything the driver does stays for three.

Is this the same driver who received the HOS ticket in Michigan a few weeks ago?

 

New York is not the only State. I get guys everyday that are suspended in another State that is not there licesned issue State. What my experience has been is on many occasions a guy will get a ticket in another State for something. One of two things happen, driver thinks that the company will pay the ticket or the driver says the heck with it I didn't deserve the ticket and basically blows it off. Then when he gets stopped and his record is run a suspension from another State shows up. Unfortunately the driver is disqualified if they are suspended, revoked, withdrawn or cancelled by any State until the authority that suspended, revoked cancelled or withdrew them reinstates their privilege to drive.

Had one yesterday, who had a valid license from his home State, but he got a ticket in another State and was peeded off that he got the ticket. He didn't think he deserved it and he was not going to pay it. After he was arrested and taken to the gray bar motel, he was in tears when I dropped him off. Now I don't arrest everyone I stop that is suspended, some I write the tickets to them. But he thought he was a wise know it all arse, so I let him be a wise know it all arse. That way he could see the way the system works and see how fun jail can be.


As far as challenging the disqualification, I don't know if they will remove the violation because you checked what you could have checked through the driver's home State. It is what it is, the driver was disqualified. I'm sure the answers the driver is telling you are at best a little skewed and he is going to try to deflect as much as he can for self preservation. I highly doubt that a State has suspended someone for a ticket that your driver was issued if the ticket did not exist. I could be wrong and I know mistakes can be made, but the thing that got the whole ball was rolling was a ticket. So somehow, someway he was issued a ticket and did not take care of his obligation. I guessing and this is only a guess, that he lied on his application about previous tickets as well. What I have seen as well is driver's in my experience will not tell their employers about tickets they have not been convicted for. So if he fails to appear for the ticket he has not been convicted. The only State that I see will convict you when you fail to appear is the Commonwealth of Virginia. A persons inaction or failure to appear for the charges will result in a conviction, and when the fines are not paid they will suspended your privilege to drive, thus being disqualified.

As a carrier, I don't know what you can do differently than you did, but the people you hire could have taken care of their business instead of playing the victim.

 

there are also "driver inspections"...........

go here for an example of the "DataQ's" that a driver gets.

https://dataqs.fmcsa.dot.gov/Data/help.stm#dataqs

so it need not be only a vehicle inspection, but an inspection of the driver as well, and speeding will be entered into this. you can be stopped for speeding, and only you can be "inspected".........(simple traffic stop, where YOU are being inspected)

here is an excerpt:


Q: Many times an officer may not give a driver an inspection report following a driver inspection; will CSA 2010 be able to capture these inspections and use them in the system?

A: No. If the officer did not complete a roadside inspection report, the inspection will not show up in CSA 2010. Instruct drivers that if the officer did do a complete driver inspection, the driver should ask for an inspection report. However, please be aware that there are several reasons the officer my not have completed a roadside inspection report. Examples include the following:

The officer did a simple "traffic stop," not a roadside inspection.

The officer was not a MCSAP/CVSA officer. Only officers that have been properly trained can conduct roadside inspections and submit reports.

The officer did not do a complete inspection (simply checking a driver's license or log does not count as an inspection; the inspection must meet the North American Standards established by CVSA to be recorded as a roadside inspection).


and here is where i got some of this information:


http://blog.fleetowner.com/trucks_at_work/2010/03/04/

 

I love having others understand this stuff so that I do not have to answer all of the questions.
It is getting better. A few months ago I would explain and explain things on here and only a few others knew what l was talking about, or would believe me.
So much false information is being spread around at lunch counters and on the CB.

Most of the books and pamphlets that you can buy at truck stops are now not correct in some of the point categories. So keep this in mind. They are still fluid and getting altered as they work on the system.
The change on points for speeding tickets (unsafe driving basic) is a noticeable change. Prior to this change this was the area that most company's were deficient.
This was because warnings counted the same as tickets.
Now warnings for speeding count the same as a ticket for 1-5 mph over.
This has caused the fatigued driving basic ie: logs to now be the big one.

This will cause many company's to go to e-logs. So that they have control over the form and manner on the logs. The driver will no longer be able to forget to put down his miles at the end of the day, or date, total hours, load number, etc.
These minor mistakes are what is really making this field bad for company's. Not actual hours of service issues.
Hopefully they will consider changing the point weight for form and manner violations. They are fighting this though. The FMCSA's standpoint on this is that you make this type of mistake due to being tired.
I will admit that many times that I make these mistakes it is due to being tired. But for me I make the mistakes when I am starting my log for the day, when I am not fully awake.

 

Carrier is penalized for this...for exactly the same reason a driver pulls points for a not-at-fault accident. If some moron skips the median and hits the truck head-on, killing himself and injuring the trucker, that trucker has maximum points added to his CSA2010 score. Even if he did everything he could to avoid the accident, his logs are current and he has never had any other type of problem: tickets, HOS, equipment, etc.

It's called bypassing due process. And as far as I'm concerned, complete BS.

 

A couple of other examples regarding suspended licenses for 'unpaid' tickets.

A friend of ours got a ticket in a state other than the one he's licensed in, paid it, but paperwork got lost in the shuffle. Good thing he had proof that he had paid it already.

Another example from helping my dad out once (he's on a contact list with the State Patrol to drive trucks from the coop to truck stops near where he lives . . . paid by the company or driver). Guy had gotten a ticket, left the money and ticket with his wife to pay, she never paid it. Dad had to have me come with him on that one, as he needed someone to drive his car, since the trucker couldn't operate ANY motor vehicle.

When you pay your tickets, make darn sure you have some sort of proof, and don't trust anyone else to pay it for you!

 

correct. make photo copies of the ticket AND check, send the ticket and check by certified mail with a return receipt.

 

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