Logging bobtail

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by lild1524, May 21, 2010.

  1. truckingman

    truckingman Guest

    I am looking for the regulations that talk about using your semi truck & trailer to transport your own belongings (i.e. rock crawler, atvs, cars etc... )

    395.8 does not talk about that so where does it in the handbook?
     
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  3. Markk9

    Markk9 "On your mark"

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    There are no regulations for non commercial use of class 8 truck.

    Mark
     
  4. Roadmedic

    Roadmedic Road Train Member

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    There are no precise rules concerning this.

    However, if you review the definitions, you can get some idea as to where they are referring to.


    http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/administration/fmcsr/fmcsrruletext.aspx?section=383.5

    Commerce means (a) any trade, traffic or transportation within the jurisdiction of the United States between a place in a State and a place outside of such State, including a place outside of the United States and (b) trade, traffic, and transportation in the United States which affects any trade, traffic, and transportation described in paragraph (a) of this definition.



    Commercial motor vehicle (CMV) means a motor vehicle or combination of motor vehicles used in commerce to transport passengers or property if the motor vehicle— (a) Has a gross combination weight rating of 11,794 kilograms or more (26,001 pounds or more) inclusive of a towed unit(s) with a gross vehicle weight rating of more than 4,536 kilograms (10,000 pounds); or
    (b) Has a gross vehicle weight rating of 11,794 or more kilograms (26,001 pounds or more); or
    (c) Is designed to transport 16 or more passengers, including the driver; or
    (d) Is of any size and is used in the transportation of hazardous materials as defined in this section.


    Non-CMV means a motor vehicle or combination of motor vehicles not defined by the term “commercial motor vehicle (CMV)” in this section
     
    truckingman Thanks this.
  5. Powder Joints

    Powder Joints Subjective Prognosticator

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    No. Not if a Officer questions it.
     
  6. truckingman

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    If their are no hours of service regulations regarding using a semi truck & loaded trailer for personal use,
    why would a DOT officer tell me that you have start from your "terminal" in order to not have to comply with hours of service?
     
  7. MrMustard

    MrMustard Road Train Member

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    The way I understand this is if you own the truck, you don't have to log personal trips. If you drive a company owned truck, any time the vehicle moves, you have to log it driving. Especially company trucks with Qualcomms in them, I know my company matches the data from the qualcomm and matches it up to my paper log.
     
  8. leanright

    leanright Medium Load Member

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    I believe if you're authorized to go off duty from the company you do not have to log it. Suppose you are headed home from the yard after a trip with just the tractor and you are emptied out from dispatch and sent home for the night or whatever. I don't think this has to be logged as driving since you are off duty and not expecting a load right now. You are on home time and not required to be 'at the ready'. This I believe does not have to be logged as on duty or driving but it will be logged as off duty anyway since you are off duty... haha.
     
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  9. INF3RNAL

    INF3RNAL Light Load Member

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    I find it interesting that personal time with the same setup as a working driver has no regulations. That right there should tell you that things such as HOS, e-logs, and the like are not about safety, but rather control and money. Of course, we all knew that already.
     
  10. MrMustard

    MrMustard Road Train Member

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    I don't think so. Let's take another example. Let's say your company rents a car for you to go recover a truck. Legally, the rental car is a company vehicle. Ask any DOT officer, and he'll tell you you have to log it on line 4, on duty, not driving, since it is not a commercial vehicle, but you are technically working. Again, I think the only legal way you can log driving that commercial vehicle as off duty is if you personally own the vehicle AND not driving it for business purposes.
     
  11. leanright

    leanright Medium Load Member

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    Naturally if you are on duty....and yes driving a company rented car would be on duty, you have to log on duty. But if you are relieved from duty and you have permission to take the truck home I believe you would log off duty. You would not be on duty for anything, all you're doing is going home. You are not under dispatch OR expected to be ready for a load so why log on duty ?? If the company tells you to bobtail to pick up a trailer from another repair shop or something along those lines, then yes you have to log driving. Well you pretty much said the same thing I said earlier only in another context ! If I'm wrong I'm wrong.....I'm not about to go find my F.M.C.R book anyway since I probably wouldn't find it.
     
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