Newbie CB setup questions

Discussion in 'CB Radio Forum' started by petroskie, Oct 22, 2010.

  1. petroskie

    petroskie Bobtail Member

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    So i have spent about 2 hours looking through post about my questions and have had no luck so here goes,
    1. I cant get my CB (midland 1001Z) to stop picking up engine noise, possbile causes?

    2. I have 2 fire stick 4' whips mounted in the bed of my truck on the lip of the bed near the window and the cb place i got my whips said thats the worse place to have whips because of the cab and the tool box, also said somthing about the line-x not giving me a proper ground, didnt make sense to me so whats the truth?

    thanks for your time in advance.
     
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  3. dodgeram440rt

    dodgeram440rt Heavy Load Member

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    First of all, my condolences on the midland. I have that same radio and in my opinion, it's a real p o s. As soon as I can, I'm getting something else and the midland is going in the trash. It's not even worth trying to resell to some other sucker.

    As far as the engine noise, I would suggest a line filter on the hot wire, same as you would do for your audio stereo if it was having similar problems. Also make sure the radio is properly grounded.

    I cannot answer about the placement of the whips because I honestly do not know, but the guy is right about the line-x affecting the ground. The antennas need to have a good, positive ground also, which generally means metal to metal contact. Even paint alone will reduce ground contact. When you add a thick coating like line-x, you can kiss any ground goodbye.
     
  4. petroskie

    petroskie Bobtail Member

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    I got the cb for $30 bucks, maybe the wife will get me a new one for my Bday. ok so i have read that you can run a mid range wire (12-16 gauge) from one of the bolts down to the frame to obtain a good ground so the the whips, what do you mean by a hot ground? im kinda against the idea of scratching line-x and paint off the bed of my truck, dont want any rust. makes me wonder how ppl make it work when they moun whips on aluminum tool boxes
     
  5. dodgeram440rt

    dodgeram440rt Heavy Load Member

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    When I said a good, positive ground, I didn't mean electrically hot grounded. I meant positive as in yes or no. Be positive it is properly grounded, making good metal to metal contact somewhere. An aluminum tool box is still metal and will still make a good ground, especially if it is bolted to the bed.

    I don't know how you are intending to mount the whips, but the metal has two sides. If you are mounting it to the bed rail, does the coating extend to the underside of the rail? As long as at least one side of the mounting stud is making good metal contact you are good. Or if you are using a mounting bracket, the bolts should be good enough.

    Another option is to strip the area to make a good ground contact, then once everything is bolted up, shoot it with some undercoating to seal it.
     
  6. petroskie

    petroskie Bobtail Member

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    Ok that makes sense, im good with electronics and i confused my self, ok so mental picture, I mounted them to the inside of the bed next to the rear window, i used mirror mounts and i just used the plate the whips screw to, now were the mounts attache are on the inside of the bed on the bed liner but the bolts and washers on the other side of the bed are touching metal, but still couldt hurt to run a good ground wire, i do like the idea of just removing the line-x behind the plate the spraying bed liner over top of the plate. thanks for the help its very appriciated
     
  7. gummy bear

    gummy bear Light Load Member

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    Co-phasing on a pick 'em up truck? You only need one antenna, sir. Co-phasing is just working against yourself on a vehicle that small.

    After removing one antenna, I would get the SWR set on the antenna, "match it to the truck." I'm almost betting the FireStick needs to be trimmed down just a little bit.
     
  8. petroskie

    petroskie Bobtail Member

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    i like the look of the duals, but when i was talking to the guy at the cb shop i he said the same thing and i asked if it would be better to just wire one whips and the other just be decor, and he said it was a bit better to have 2 since i only had about 1 foot of the whip sticking above the cab of the truck, starting to think this guy is a bit of a ratard
     
  9. Rat

    Rat Road Train Member

    Bad idea to cophase on a pickup. The antenna need to be about 8 ft apart for it to work properly.

    You also need to get the antenna away from the back of the cab or above the back of the cab for best possible performance. Having it too close to the cab will cause reflect problems which leads to high SWR and poor performance.

    Another thing, cophased coax is different the single coax. Cophased coax have 75 ohm coax per side while a single is 50 ohm.

    Grounding is very important. The antenna mount needs to be grounded properly or your SWR will be through the roof (too high).

    Running another ground to the radio chassis is not needed. The chassis of the radio is well grounded to the ground port already. You just need a good ground for the power cord. I find that running the positive lead to the battery or as close as possible to the battery is a better option. I like to run a heavier gauge wire for this such as 10 guage or larger.
     
  10. Tricky Rick

    Tricky Rick Light Load Member

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    Just my opinion. Get a 102" stainless steel whip, put it on your back bumper, good coax, get swr's checked and the Midland will work for a while.
     
  11. petroskie

    petroskie Bobtail Member

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    thanks for all the advice this has been a good learing experiance, since my intentions are to use this CB for just hunting and 4x4 with buddys, also since i already cut up my line-x and drilled a hole in the bed to run the wire id like to keep them were there at or with in the area, is there anyway his set up can work and it sounds like just running a single and keeping the dual for looking would be my best option for the situation i have. thanks agian
     

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