Newbie CB setup questions

Discussion in 'CB Radio Forum' started by petroskie, Oct 22, 2010.

  1. celticwolf

    celticwolf Road Train Member

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    In order for it to work your antennas have to be electronically 1/4, 1/2, 3/4 or a full bandwidth apart.

    The CB bandwidth is 11 meters at channel 20 or 433". 1/4 wave is 9 feet. 8' will work on higher channels really well, but will work fine on the lower channels too.

    Electronically means the distance between the two, plus any electronics in the middle. 8' of coax isn't going to work.

    Having said that you can get tuners that will electronically correct the SWR, but they can be costly for the better ones and for the cheaper ones as they keep burning out. Though at 4 watts you shouldn't have much burn-out.

    Any metal in parallel with any part of an antenna will act as part of that antenna.

    Best to get it one on a pick-up as high as possible.
     
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  3. petroskie

    petroskie Bobtail Member

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    so each channel has a different band width? I went to the CB shop and he hooked up his tunner and he said that the SWR is at .1 or 1 i forget but he said its a really really good SWR and that no tunning was needed. so either i havent found the right channel people are on or im to retarted to use it is there a B/Sing channel?
     
  4. celticwolf

    celticwolf Road Train Member

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    Yes each channel is a different frequency and there for a different bandwidth. Though from channel 1 to channel 40 is considered 11 meters.

    SWR is a Ratio. What is .1? 5 to 1 maybe. The idea is to have the signal higher than the noise. You'll hear hams talk about the noise being 30 or 60db down. Meaning the noise is 30 to 60 DB BELOW the signal strength

    I'd find a new CB shop..
     
  5. petroskie

    petroskie Bobtail Member

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    i was at a cb shop and the guy hooked up his tuner to my cb and whips and he dialed in the RF and SQ and said the SWR is #### near perfict so i drove about a mile down the road and we did a mike test and it was about as clear as talking on the phone. so say for example if i was on channel 6 and the signal got weak we could move to another channel and the signal would clear up? i think i need to do more research to understand all this
     
  6. petroskie

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    i miss read your last line, hes the only one in my area, id have to drive about an hour to the other shop, but may be worth a trip
     
  7. celticwolf

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    If the signal is weak on one channel, there is a good chance it will be weak on all 40. The difference in bandwidth on the CB isn't all that great. The channels allow you to easily switch between frequencies, so you aren't stepping on a another CB conversation.

    Look at each channel in a similar fashion as a conventional over the air TV. As you dial your TV to say channel two the TV automatically tunes into 54-60 MHZ, dial channel 3 and your TV automatically tunes to 60-66MHz. Dial in Channel 1 on your CB and it tunes to 26.965Mhz, Channel 2 is 26.975Mhz. Voice doesn't need the bandwidth of video so by the time you get to channel 40 you have only made it 27.405Mhz.

    The other thing: Any old piece of wire can be used to RECEIVE a radio signal.; However to Transmit that piece of wire has to be TUNED to the operating frequency. As I said before that tuning HAS to be 1/4, 1/2 or full bandwidth. The lower the operating frequency the longer the bandwidth. Your AM radio is a 160 meters. That AM radio tower you see on your travels IS the antenna and then only half of it. The other half is it's ground. CB is 11 meters. A 433" whip is kind of ridiculous, so most whips are 1/4 Bandwidth (102") and are fine tuned by lengthening or shorting it's profile by 1/4" at a time. The really short CB antennas have a coil in the base to make up for the difference in overall length. Even then the ground is part of the antenna. Proper length and proper ground makes a great antenna.

    Just because you heard that CB shop fine doesn't mean he heard you the same way.

    Bottom line here is simple.. They may look "cool" but your antennas aren't doing a darn bit of good. Take one off and tune the remaining one properly.
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  8. WA4GCH

    WA4GCH Road Train Member

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    WHAT?

    Moving one CB ch would make little diffrence and a tunner will not tell you anything about how well your antenna is working but maybe read the swr ..
    A single antenna set up right is the way to go.
     

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  9. petroskie

    petroskie Bobtail Member

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    so ive been doing some research and learing more about what you guys have been talking about so i feel smarter, i think im gunna keep my duals so far ive talked to truckers as far as 3-4 miles and its crystal clear. but i have developed a new question, ive read on a few posts that people keep their satalite far from the cb does the sat antenna and whips interfere with each other?
     
  10. celticwolf

    celticwolf Road Train Member

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    Not trying to be rude but you aren't listening. Just because it's crystal clear to you doesn't mean it is the other way around. When it comes to Antennas it's YOUR transmissions that count.

    Home satellite dishes are mainly received devices and for the most part they are just plastic. The LNBF is coated in plastic, so they don't pose much of a problem; however, if any part of your Transmit antenna is parallel to the metal stand it will interfere.
     
  11. petroskie

    petroskie Bobtail Member

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    ok so since it was clear at the cb shop dosnt mean its clear to others while im driving then, so i need to get with a buddy and do some testing to see if its clear on the other end and if its not very clear would it be as simple as just unplugging a whip like you said. im not trying to be a dick to ya, the help is great but all this is alot to understand, its like explaining Variable Turbine Geometry to a person who has no mechanics background ya know.
    I have a kenwood deck in the truck that has satellite hookups and thats what the wife got me was the satellite gear, the company says to put the little antenna on the roof of the truck towards the back window, i was wondering if that would interfere with the cb whips or visversa again thanks for the help im getting there
     
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