You're all right about the dye. The red dye is what makes off-road diesel. The penalties are severe and they can check real easy. But you'll be surprised on who does the checking. I was loading one day and IRS had set up a check station right outside the tank farm. They were checking for two products. Red dye in your fuel tank and if your load was transmix.
We didn't sell any red dye but I did find an old bottle of dye pills in the shed they used years ago. The driver would dye the product after loading. Now it's all done by computer at the loading rack just like the gasoline additive. You can buy diesel on some Indian Reservations in Nevada without paying taxes but listening to the drivers on the radio it's a real hassle when they check because the government whats their money. Most say it's not worth it.
If you got off road diesel and it wasn't red I wouldn't worry about it but then again if they see the paperwork you'll be explaining more than you care to. It's better to play it safe and stick to the legal fuel because what you'll lose if you're caught will not make up for the savings.
Diesel one off-road?
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If it's marked on the receipt and you get inspected you'll have some problems if they see it.
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High sulfur diesel fuel is gone. You have low sulfur and ultra-low sulfur in the US.
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What would you use off-road diesel for then? For your reefer? Or for something where you dont need to pay tax?
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Montana dips the fuel tank during inspections for samples.
I know of some others that have done it as well.
In some states, you can buy the off road diesel. The PUMPS are CLEARLY MARKED.
There are fines for the this. I heard they were 10,000 if red dye is found.TruckerNate Thanks this. -
It is used for refer fuel. But it is also used for other diesel engines in equipment that is not on highway. Fork lifts, heavy construction, farm equipment etc.TruckerNate Thanks this.
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It's just low sulfur and not ultra low. But that's only because of economic reasons. If a tank farm runs out of low sulfur they'll use ultra low if they need to. We would run out of regular gasoline and just sell super instead until we could buy some from another company or get a shipment in. -
The dye leaves a stain in the tank, from what I have been told. A company using trucks but using more fuel for jetting operations offroad, had to clean the tanks and switch to undyed fuel per the state DOT even in the off-road tanks, because of the chance of mixing a small amount of off road fuel into the on highway tanks and then showing use of dyed fuel in those tanks.
Some places sell dyed fuel, but otherwise the fuel sold for reefer use is kept track of and any tax paid in excess of the on/off road tax that is applied to off road use, can be applied to road use tax.
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I'm not too sure about that. I know many trucks that load off road or red dye then come back and load ULSD. I know the drivers are told to drain the tank completely so you have no mix but if it stained and then bled into the road diesel we would have heard of such a problem. I know you're talking about the fuel tank , but tankers use basically the same aluminum. There are some smaller tankers that only load 500 gallons and they have no problem so I really don't think it would be a problem. But don't get me wrong here. It's just not worth the fines and problems you'd have if you were caught with red dye in your fuel tank. The problems come mostly from the federal side but you're right everyone could get into the game of wanting their taxes. State, city, and some county taxes are involved. It's just not worth it.
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I won't name the place in question, but I was working there while this was going on. They do municipal underground jetting, among other things, they did purge the tanks on both where there were 2 separate fuel systems on a vehicle. I can see your point as well.
I have not been checked in over 6 years, but the WI coop off US61 and 151 is reported to run vehicles around back and check their tanks and fuel. It is supposed to leave a black stain from what I have been told. Maybe Diesel Bear could tell us if I'm the victim of trucker tall tales.
Going farther back, when dyed fuel was first mandated for offroad use, a contracter I knew pretty well got rid of every diesel car and pickup he had, just saying.
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