Question for DB or any LEO on here.

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by 07-379Pete, Mar 5, 2011.

  1. 07-379Pete

    07-379Pete Crusty Commando-Pete

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    A buddy and I got into a debate over lift axles that alot of flatbed and end dump trailers use and level 1 inspections.
    The question is...What would happen if a truck was stopped for a level 1, was empty at the time and the lift axle was up and not in use and there is a problem with the axle, (ie. a flat tire, a wheel seal, or bad brake,). Other than the lift axle the rest of the truck and trailer is fine and would pass the inspection.

    Would the trailer be put out of service or just noted on the report, or nothin at all being the axle was not in play at the time?

    I tryed to look it up but got a head ache after about an hour of looking thru the rules for the answer or guidelines.
     
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  3. THE PLAYMAKER

    THE PLAYMAKER Medium Load Member

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    Thats a great question. Now I am on a mission to find that out. Thanks. But my first guess would be before he sits the axle back down he would have to get it fixed. Maybe warning no citation I don't think. But who knows now days
     
  4. Grumman

    Grumman Light Load Member

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    I would surmise that if it was "on the truck" it should be up to par. Just as the example of having tons of chicken lights..all must be working even though the vast majority aren't required. Having the lift axle up doesn't mean you won't use it. I would think due to liability concerns, if an inspector found an issue with the lift axle it would have to corrected.
     
  5. 07-379Pete

    07-379Pete Crusty Commando-Pete

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    I see your point, but with that theory, if your in a night club and your car is parked out side the club and you have justed downed your 12th beer of the night do you get a DUI before you step out of the club because you have the means to drive?
     
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  6. ChromeDome

    ChromeDome Road Train Member

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    If it is on the truck it is expected to operate properly. That is what I have always been told.
    If I have a light out on my trailer, but it is day light and my lights are not in use, it is still expected to work.
    I believe the only way to make a lift axle a non functioning part of the truck is to take the wheels off. That way you can say it will not be used.
    But then I am just another driver. And DOT have surprised me before. I will wait for DB to add his 3 cents. Which are worth more than my 1.
     
  7. 07-379Pete

    07-379Pete Crusty Commando-Pete

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    I also see your point as well, but your asked to turn your lights on for the inspection and, in my way of thinking, that put them into play,(for lack of a better term).
     
  8. dieselbear

    dieselbear Road Train Member

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    The axle is not in use? Those brakes are not used? Those brakes are not listed on the inspection. If I see a problem, I let the driver know it and also list that problem in the inspection notes section.
    Your example is a great example, and we run into on a daily basis. I don't know how every inspector or State handles this, but this was the way I was taught. Same as if a lift axle has a bad tire. That tire is not in contact with the road, so it's not a violation. It's a good practice to ensure everything on the truck is up to par, like some said. But I can't list it on an inspection. Chrome dome, that's my 1 1/2 cents. :biggrin_255:
     
  9. CondoCruiser

    CondoCruiser The Legend

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    Then I would assume you would note it in your pti and write it on your vehicle inspection report. Then check the box that says "Defects need not be corrected for safe operation of the vehicle". Then get it fixed asap before it's needed. ???

    I always thought like CD. I drove a dump for a excavating crew one time. Everytime the owner broke a chicken light loading it, he would take a hammer and bust it all the way off. They can't get me now. :)
     
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  10. outerspacehillbilly

    outerspacehillbilly "Instigator of the Legend"

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    Look,I agree with you that if it's not in use then it should not matter, but we both know that the situation about being in the bar is totally different. DOT don't stalk the bar parking lots! :biggrin_2559:



    Problem with that is I have been told if it has a hole for a light to be there, then it better have one there and it better be in working condition.
     
  11. Hardlyevr

    Hardlyevr Road Train Member

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    I don't know the law for inspections, but for tolls, for the axle not to be counted as active and in service it had to be chained in the up position so it could not be used.
     
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