Cabbage Hill INFO ...

Uh, whoops,,,shoulda proofread it first. "above the clouds with a SW view of the SW Oregon" Meant,

' SW view'

Really? You didn't know what I meant? lol. Ok. wtf ever.

 

As I am the only one that mentioned NOT USING the brakes, I answered to the parts of your post that IMPLIED by your post that you were replying to me! It looks to me the ONLY part of your post I answered that wasn't meant for me was the Video part, big deal . Now,, put some new reading glasses on,,take a Valium, and you CALM DOWN! Oh yeah, I asked you How You Knew not IF you knew what the safe speed was?

hey otherhalftw, seeing as he was talking to you, jump in anytime

 

Ok I have one last question?

How on earth did we ever survive without jakes???? or newer wider interstates????

As for all your arguing about braking(or lack of)methods--here is the real question..

DID you make it down hill safely--without burning anything up and with out any excessive wear on your equipment?
If you answer YES to this question.....................

Just my $.02

 

Why would you assume I didn't read the link you posted? However from the same group, a better (shorter and more concise) article on downhill braking...which discusses both Conventional and Snub and the reason the Snub braking is preferred...not demanded...as proper.
http://www.johncglennon.com/papers.cfm?PaperID=36

You need video proof for what reason? I made a statement about snub braking and the DMV test answers and method of applying the technique...now you have become defensive since I used your post as an introduction to my concern about the DMV test "correct" answer to the application of snub braking....my concern is the same as you said in your latest post....lock the brakes, who would do that?. That is the "correct" answer on the CDL exam..."to apply heavy brake pressure until just as the brakes lock up"...please note my quotation marks....this is from 9 different states CDL tests, not just one or two but nine that I FOUND in a quick search.

I was not the one that said NEVER BRAKE...however I did thank the post that did say that...and if you were to read his post...not into it...that the perfect way to accomplish most downhill situations is to be at the proper speed BEFORE beginning the decline. In most situations, the proper set-up can get you down the mountain WITHOUT the need to apply your brakes...given A PERFECT SCENARIO DESCENDING without implications from other traffic or obstructions while descending.

I don't recall anyone...and I did reread the entire thread to make sure....nobody criticized your post or statements, in fact one "thanks" was there on your post....sorry I should have thanked you myself...I got distracted by something. I think you might have read into a post or two and got your feathers in a pinch....yet now you "attack" me and "101" about our posts which in no way slighted your initial post...we just didn't completely repeat your words...now you have been put on the defensive for your attack on us!

On top of that...you merged two different posts and blamed the contents of two on me! In the future...double check the posts to make sure you are addressing the correct poster for statements made...I do all the time...just as I did here before addressing you!

Yes...here it is right in this post.....I already told you where I got that from....the DMV CDL test answers...not from my thoughts or assumption...from the DMV in 9 different states and their CDL exams!

If you are going to quote from a source...copy/paste and put the selection in quotes along with the location of the source for the quote. I can't tell where your quoted portion ends and your example or "self paraphrased description" takes over. Also which state DMV did you access to get your source...or did this come from a driving school curriculum? I'm not saying it is wrong or out of touch...just wanting to know for my own source information.

One thing your example doesn't address...if the brake application is needed more than a couple times descending the grade...it should be noted that an extended application of braking should be done in order to down shift another gear to reduce the need for brake applications...thereby reducing the loss of brakes due to heating of brake drums and pads.

I know what some will say to this..."you should never attempt a downshift descending a hill"....this could be true to the novice driver, but for an experienced driver that should not be an issue!

Calm down a bit DedHedEd...nobody was or is attacking you...just getting the facts straight! Most of the threads here on TTR are designed as information to students, rookies, novice drivers and those of us with a few years and miles under our seats and belts.

Stay safe out there....and take it easy down the mountain ranges!

 

Hey there "101"....can I take exception to your signature line?

I DO DO...AND I DO TEACH ALSO!

 

Years ago, there where no jake brakes, Just engine speed and the right gear to descend these moutains, try loveland pass sometime in the winter would be even better. Gas engines, 2 sticks, single axle, 80k in a small box,, yup,, those where the days my friend.

Thats why you see pictures of all them old timers in them old trucks over the side of the mountains,,,

No Jakes, and you better be in the right gear and never never ever try to downshift.. When youve begun your descent, be in the right gear at the right time always, you go down them enough, youll remember what gear to use.,

How did I survive??? Luck and the Lord by my side.,,

 

I think those horror stories predate the present Emigrant Hill. When I started driving in 72, I ran between Portland and SLC most of the time. Cabbage was the old grade. Switchbacks, two lanes each way and was then called I-80N. I think it was the mid to latter 70's that they completed the new road and greatly improved it.
The stories from before were well founded. It was much like the old Lewiston Grade or White Bird in Idaho.
13 switchbacks all the way down. And they were true hairpin turns.
Now all that survives is the legend.
But those old passes were a trip to take a set of doubles down!

 

That White Bird....don't try "launching" over the top even today! They have that "trucks MUST stop" brake check area at the top for a VERY VERY GOOD REASON!

But a more scenic route cannot be found!

Of course Lewiston...if you plan it right...you lose your brakes and manage to make all the turns....just let er run and the Swift terminal at the bottom will catch you!

 

Wrong again.

I lived in Oregon for 30 of my nearly 43 years.

Sheesh! I guess people look at years driving a truck and assume the Great Powers squeezed you onto the face of the earth only after you acquire a CDL.

Madam, there is far more to life than driving, as I am (yeahl I know...) assuming you know since you've been retired for....how long, now?

 

Yes you may, but for now it's staying put