Ready, Set,....Fail

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by BigBadBill, Mar 31, 2011.

  1. BigBadBill

    BigBadBill Bullishly Optimistic

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    Through contacts with my wife's past profession (and easy on the comments, this is my wife) we have become good friends with many CPA's. At a social gathering a couple of weeks ago started talking with 3 CPA's that combined have over 100 O/O clients and all have been doing this for some time.

    The issue of rates and drivers taking lowball rates and they all agreed on one thing they have been seeing. Many of the O/O's that have failed or ready to fail do not have reserves and are living week to week, need to factor to get by and are one major breakdown from going out of business.

    They all agree that with the exception of a few that have dedicated freight, not one of these drivers are averaging better than $1.25 per mile. The only thing keeping their heads above water is that they run 3,500+ miles a week. Compounding the issue is that they have to factor just to pay for fuel.

    If they last a year they are often hit with higher insurance because they have a couple violations making it harder to keep running.

    On the other side, most of the clients that do have a reserves are averaging better than $2.00/mile, only factor with companies that charge less than 2% and average less than 2,700 miles a week (not counting vacation weeks).

    Apparently this has been a regular topic of conversation with them and others in the industry. Also, bench marking for their clients is part of their services. One question I forgot to ask was how are these guys that are living week to week affording their services.
     
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  3. Wildcat74

    Wildcat74 Medium Load Member

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    Just like any other facet of life, really. Those who can manage their money wisely do well and those who can't make and stick to a budget fail. I've never understood why anyone who can't manage their own personal finances thinks they can own/operate a business of ANY kind, not just in trucking.
     
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  4. BigBadBill

    BigBadBill Bullishly Optimistic

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    We talk about people taking these low rates and not able/willing to sit or DH but then see that for many it is a matter of survival. For some it is a matter of money management but for others I think they got in way over their head and without some type of support the cycle will not change.
    It also amazes me the people that get into this business and part of the business plan is using factoring for 100% of the business.
     
  5. Wildcat74

    Wildcat74 Medium Load Member

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    I can somewhat the heavy reliance on factoring IF you're using the low (1.5% or less) companies, anything higher than that I just don't see how they can give that much money away. Just a vicious cycle for them really and once you get into it it can be hard to break out of it. Easiest to just start out with a nice sized rainy day fund and maintain a nice account balance there.
     
  6. BigBadBill

    BigBadBill Bullishly Optimistic

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    I will say that I use the 1.5% quick pay option with brokers. Getting it direct deposited and not tracking invoice is worth it. I wish it was easier to have it done on some and not on others.
     
  7. Wildcat74

    Wildcat74 Medium Load Member

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    The way I see it having that money in your hands for an extra 30-60 days at 1.5% enables you to leverage far more than the sum you're giving away. When these people get behind the 8 ball with creditors at 10-15% there's just nor a lot of ways to come back from that, margins are too small.
     
  8. FLATBED

    FLATBED Road Train Member

    A lot get behind the so called 8 ball with spending $ on JUNK. Then when they need $ for legit truck items its CREDIT CARD time.

    Just bought a truck & trailer at an auction, guy that had it had every toy known to man , but bank repo'd the unit.

    He had been pulling good $ freight , just poor $ management.

    I offered him a job driving his old truck.
     
  9. ‘Olhand

    ‘Olhand Cantankerous Crusty

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    Offering him a job--was a classy thing to do! Good for you!
     
  10. RedForeman

    RedForeman Momentum Conservationist

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    I quoted this because it bears mentioning twice. You hit the nail on the head with your comment about extending personal financial success into business financial success.

    Factoring at any rate is just like any other cost of doing business. If you use it as one of many levers to pull when managing cash flow and your time spent doing collections, it adds a lot of value. When it becomes a lifeline, it's a symptom of bigger problems, not necessarily the problem.
     
  11. Giorgio

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    May be new to trucking, but not new to life and I suspect the majority of "rules to live by" apply to trucking. It is really amazing how many people have all these worthless toys and no savings at all. Backyards loaded with 4 wheelers, bass boats, etc. and $3000 rim & tire sets on the daily drivers meanwhile carrying 10-18% credit card balances.

    If you want to succeed longer term, you gotta put off at least some of that instant gratification no-payments-till-January on the 60" flat screen type of stuff!

    Hopefully the poor guy is not behind the 8 ball on all the other toys too. Or more important his house.
     
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