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  1. Apr 3, 2011 #1
    freedomisntfree

    freedomisntfree Light Load Member

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    I apologize if i posted on wrong thread fellas... i need ur help again. Ive put all my $$ in this truck and just when ive seem to have found an end to the big maintenance issues... something else pops up.
    When i sit for over 5minutes, it takes atleast 10 second cranks to get er fired up.
    Things i have done within 25,000 mi that have to do with engine:
    Complete inframe
    Injector o rings
    Replaced Fuel pump with new detroit
    Sealed any fuel leaks
    Just replaced :
    Air filter
    Fuel filter
    Oil and oil filters is due but have 12000 mi

    My thoughts:
    Oil pump??? Not building enough start up pressure??
    Fuel tanks?? Mechanic had sealed off fuel lines and maybe switched a valve to open instead of closed?? I have noticed inconsistency in fuel being drawn more out of one tank than the other
    Turbo 3000?? It was on there from previous owner... getting clogged??

    Plz shoot me your thoughts and other possibilities that can help me diagnose before my mechanic throws parts at it ..... im sure im missing a few things here but will post as they come up. Thnk u for ur time ladies n gents..
     
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  3. Apr 3, 2011 #2
    Unclegrumpy

    Unclegrumpy Light Load Member

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    There's a check valve on the back of the head where the fuel line goes into the head, they are known to fail over time, that could be a cause of hard starting.
     
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  4. Apr 3, 2011 #3
    freedomisntfree

    freedomisntfree Light Load Member

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    Check valve.... that sounds like a good place to start.. any tips on gettin this thing off??
     
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  5. Apr 3, 2011 #4
    MedicineMan

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    it;s sucking air somewhere and draining back. the check valve is a good start. otherwise it's a matter of checking and usually replacing every fitting from the tank to the motor. it doesn't need to leak fuel to be sucking air.
     
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  7. Apr 3, 2011 #5
    canuck in da truck

    canuck in da truck Road Train Member

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    it wont be the oil psi--that is a cummins thing on start up--i would as well vote for the valve at the back of the head--if it doesnt seat it wont keep fuel in the head to start--and maybe a good idea to take the turbo 3000 off and sell it to somebody cheap--somebody you dont like
    are you sure you have the correct fuel filter on ??
    if you are drawing more out of one tank than the othere--well--it should be kinda equel maybe check that the vents dont have any crap in the hose
     
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  8. Apr 3, 2011 #6
    MedicineMan

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    oh and welcome to owning an older truck.

    your statement about just getting done with repairs is so far from reality you don't even know. it never stops with an older truck. just be sure you save enough money for it. you may own it outright but you still make a truck payment, you just make it in repairs costs. generally it's less then a truck not but all the repairs can wear you down easy
     
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  9. Apr 3, 2011 #7
    freedomisntfree

    freedomisntfree Light Load Member

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    Thnx fellas.... so i guess that rules out the oil psi... and thumbs up on the turbo 3000 ... i thought it was a joke when they first come out with it.. i guess i need to start by pulling all the fittings off. which is basically something that has been done already 2 weeks ago but i get the feeling if u want it done right u need to do it urself in this case.. my mechanic wont even pick up his phone on sundays. I have a load to deliver and some time to spare as i pass thru the house. These issues got worse after messing with the lines and fittings.

    Another note: would a FASS system due away with these issues?? Because i have invested close to $1000 in fuel system already and my instinct before any fuel system fix was to install one of these.
     
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  10. Apr 3, 2011 #8
    freedomisntfree

    freedomisntfree Light Load Member

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    Thnx fellas.... so i guess that rules out the oil psi... and thumbs up on the turbo 3000 ... i thought it was a joke when they first come out with it.. i guess i need to start by pulling all the fittings off. which is basically something that has been done already 2 weeks ago but i get the feeling if u want it done right u need to do it urself in this case.. my mechanic wont even pick up his phone on sundays. I have a load to deliver and some time to spare as i pass thru the house. These issues got worse after messing with the lines and fittings.

    Another note: would a FASS system due away with these issues?? Because i have invested close to $1000 in fuel system already and my instinct before any fuel system fix was to install one of these.
     
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  11. Apr 3, 2011 #9
    Unclegrumpy

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    The valve is a brass fitting that screws into the head, make sure you have an ez out as they can snap off at the head. As was mentioned the tank vents should be cleaned also to improve fuel balance. If the fuel hoses haven't been changed make time to do it, they swell over time restricting flow.

    I have never owned a truck that was less than 4 years old, I have the advantage of being a former technician. Older trucks can be more of a pain when it comes to maint. but at least in my case it is far far cheaper than owning a new or newer truck.

    Good luck.
     
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  12. Apr 3, 2011 #10
    canuck in da truck

    canuck in da truck Road Train Member

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    grumpy has that right--not sure on ihc--but on a short fliner that valve is a bit of a pig to get out--no room and tighter than an owners pocket book
     
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