Well u guys were right .... the check valve was bad, i could blow through both sides... but , didnt fix my problem. So now im searching for another leak which im thinkin injector o rings??? Except they were just replaced. I was told something about a solenoid that can cause similar issue?
Im pissed with this mechanic. I had specifically asked him to run a pressure test , he never did... replaced the check valve and sent me on my way. It was still rough starting but he mentioned air in system needs to bleed out. Then it will start fine.. and here i am same issue $340 labor $110 check valve. He spent most time rechecking the stuff he did last time, fuel pump and fuel lines. If i can find these other possibilities i think i will tackle them myself with ur help gentlemen. Thnx and have a great day..
detroit 60 starting issues 98 interntl
Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by freedomisntfree, Apr 3, 2011.
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Did you check the tank vents to make sure they weren't plugged? If one is plugged it will cause the fuel to not distribute back to the tanks properly and it can pull the fuel back from the head. If you have a Conmet fuel filter do you see bubbles when the truck is running? That would be an indication that you have a bad fuel hose that will suck air but not necessarily leak fuel.
As I stated earlier on a truck that old I would replace the fuel hoses, the rubber inside the fuel hose seperates from the outer braid causing a bubble and will eventually crack, visually inspecting the hose will not tell you anything as the hose becomes brittle over time and is near impossible to straighten to see clear through.
What solenoid is the mechanic talking about?freedomisntfree Thanks this. -
I dont have one of those fuel filters... tank vents? Im assuming they have some kind of floater on top of the tank with the hose sticking out??? I will check that today. Solenoid?? I might have misunderstood him when he was telling me about the injector o rings... so if a solenoid in engine doesnt ring a bell to u, i must have it wrong. Thnx alot for the info ... i will get to it today and post back what i find. I need to get back on the road today tomoro at latest. Have a great day...
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If you have a Davco fuel filter, there is a check valve where the fuel line enters the filter. It is brass, screws into the filter, then the fuel line screws into it. Trash from the tank will sometimes get stuck there and hold the ball check open, letting fuel drain back to the tank.
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I have never seen a check valve on the back of the head fail. I have tested many of them. Remove the hose from it, if it drains fuel it is junk if not it is OK. Diagnosis by the ripping and tearing method is expensive and stupid.
If you are not getting fuel in the oil then it can not be injector "O" rings.
If the Davco filter check valve leaks it will drain the plastic cover. Can you look into the fuel tank with flash light, and see if there are bubbles when you start it. I would get a fuel pressure gauge and install it in the port where the fuel temperature sender is. I use a clear plastic hose, 3 ft long, and install it in line with the fuel pump outlet fitting, and put a loop in it. Start the truck, and run it for few minutes, it is possible you have a bad injector that is leaking at the tip, If you can not see the return in the tank you will need a clear line and look if you have very small bubbles.
If you have no air coming out of the fuel pump and you have air in the return line, then you have compression getting into the return fuel. and when you shut it off it is possible to get air past the injector tip and draining the head.
If you leave it sit for a while, and the head is draining, the fuel pressure will not go up immediately, and the return will have a large bubble of air.
I take it you have no codes for SRS, the cranking speed is over 200, and when cranking you look at the reader it says SRS- yes. -
No sir i dont have any codes thrown and SRS light... hmm im not at my truck now but when i get in there i should be able to tell u. But gauges look normal and crank speed should be good. My batteries are brand new and starter is good and consistent. I will check that valve you guys mention. There is a brass fitting that plugs ontop of the fuel filter on top. Looks like a quick disconnect fitting with nothing plugged onto it.
While truck is running i did notice small bubbles inside tanks..
Injector tips sounds like a possibility...
I will continue troubleshooting and hook up a gauge to fuel sender port and reread your responses to make sure i didnt miss anything. Thnx fellas i will report back in a few -
Well.... pulled the exhaust manifold off with the help of a friend and turns out 3 exhaust ports are constantly wet of diesel. Stared the engine and those 3 ports shoot out. Lots of smoke. Which leads me to beleive that thos injectors are bad and are sticking open. Or im assuming that i cant rule out the head just yet?? Head was rebuilt with engine. When engine was rebuilt, i didnt push for having all injectors rebulit instead of just the 2 that were bad. I didnt even think about it. Had the mechanic brought it up i would have definately gon.e for it. We will pull off the injectors today and install some rebuilt ones and see what she does.
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Installed six tester injectors and problem solved..
this is just a FYI... while the engine was apart being rebuilt, the mechanic had the injectors just sitting out in the open for weeks.. 2 injectors were rebuilt and 4 were reinstalled. The truck turned out to have 4 bad injectors which no brainer would be the ones sitting out to dry. I had brought that up to the mechanic when i saw them sitting in the sun and he said..... awww theyll be ok. Go figure those four turn out bad 30,000 mi later. Because of this issue that could have been prevented or atleast prolonged now i put so much stress on my starter and brand spankn new interstate batteries. I am really startn to see why so many new owner ops dont last very long. I should be up and running by tomoro a.m. thnx fellascanuck in da truck Thanks this. -
I knpw of plenty of check valves go bad, mine for one & several others on a ser 60 det.canuck in da truck Thanks this.
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Injectors in a Detroit can be tested and also if leaving injectors sitting dry hurt them then would you not think all injectors would have a best before date. They come new in a package dry.
That check valve in a system that is tight is not needed, and if the fuel system is sucking air the check valve will open. I have never put a vacuum pump on the valve but it is a very week spring in there.
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