I moved this to a new thread to avoid disrupting Oldnew's swan song about Swift.
1) Fatigued is the catagory it falls into. It falls into that catagory because it is RODS and HOS related infraction, those are designed to prevent fatigued driving. What catagory would you suggest Unsafe driving? I guess the case for that correlation could be made. Sloppiness breeds inefficiency so a driver to sloppy to maintain a certifed document.
Equipment? Well again sloppiness breeds....... I guess a driver incapable of filling out paperwork will probably prove incapable of monitoring their equipment condition.
Driver fitness? Sure improper logs fits into this catagory well. This is all about a driver making sure his permission to operate on our roads is up to snuff. If you truly feel that form and manner infractions belong with the rest of the paperwork make a comment to the FMCSA about moving it.
Now what was the point of all that? Well your complaint about where the information was tabulated attempted to negate that you violated a law. We as a society providing the roads you use have every right to know every time you do violate the laws set forth so when we deem you a hazard we have documentation of why you are no longer granted privileges.
Now no I do not know if they will suspend you in particular. And I would hope that if you wish to continue operating on these roads you will tighten up your paperwork so as to avoid any further citations or warnings.
To many times people plea down or get tickets dismissed when everyone acknowledges the guilt of the defendant. That is why an over turn or reduction in court automatically removes the infractions from an inspection form.
There is no retroactive enforcement. CSA is simply a recording system. You received those violations and there were always records of that fact. Now they are simply compiled into a single spot for easier monitoring of your infractions.
Every action has a reward or a consequence. So when you decide to take an action make sure you are fully aware of all the possible consequences.
To dispell some myths about CSA, SMS, and PSP
Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by Tazz, May 23, 2011.
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Exactly where did I say I had points for log books? I was merely commenting on what a clerical error had to do with fatiqued driving. Not everybody is as perfect as you like to think you are. I say as you think you are because a finding of not quilty will not remove CSA points or remove it from DMV records.
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When you questioned the filing under fatigued, and in the next sentance say two warnings and a ticket it led me to believe you had two warnings and a ticket for log books.
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Well to me, a warning is a warning and nothing more so why should it come back to bite you? Two dismissed tickets should show up as CSA points? Maybe that's right in your world Tazz but not in mine.
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I recieved a warning (and points) for being 300 lbs over on my drives. I had a loaded, sealed, container that I had axled out before leaving and was 33,930 lbs. on my drives. I told the DOT lady I would slide the 5th wheel and she said don't bother, it happens all the time with things moving inside the container.
Early one morning while on the side of the trailer checking the lights there was a bright flash from the back of the trailer. When I walked to the rear the bright flash was the licence plate lights final farewell to this world. As I was at a truck stop I went in and bought a new unit and installed it. If I had been somwhere where a new unit was not available or it went 30 minutes later and I was inspected I would have more points.
I recieved a warning ticket for speeding (more points as a level 3 was done). I was doing 64 mph in a 70-60 split speed limit state. Traffic was heavy on a 2 lane interstate. I could see cars getting squirrelly behind me, suddenly braking and doing rapid lane changes when I was doing 60 mph so I sped up to go with the flow of traffic. At 60 I'm impeding traffic and causing a hazard, at 64 I'm breaking the law.When I explained this to the officer he said he understood and appreciated it and was just going to write a warning ticket to prove he was out there doing his job. This was before CSA but when they went back 3 years it garnered me points.
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You know it's bad when an Alberta boy thinks the scale folks in B.C. are downright reasonable in comparison to many other jurisdictions.Native Dancer Thanks this. -
Getting a ticket reduced or dismissed in court for more money does not change the fact of what occured during the inspection.
There is a mechanism for ammending an inspection that does noot involve a bribe or an arbitrary party changing an inspection report.
Warnings should count, to many times people are let off of infractions with the understanding they should get them fixed. Now we can see how many warnings you recieve. The only difference between a "warning" and a ticket is money. They are exactly the same on an inspection just as they should be. Your equipment or paperwork were not in order. -
Well golly gee you got me.
No not really see pointing out a spelling mistake when I have never insinuated nor applied to be an english teacher is irrelevant. I assure you if spelling could cost me my job or money I would care about. Far more than I currently do.
Warnings count because they show a pattern of sloppiness in your operation when they accumulate. Simple as that.
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