Old School and Professionalism

Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by Hammer166, May 24, 2011.

  1. Hammer166

    Hammer166 Crusty Information Officer

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    I've noticed in a few different threads, that some of the "New Breed" looks down upon the "Old School" to the point of considering us unprofessional because we never went to driving school. You idiots! You don't even realize how little you know, much less understand that all that school does is teach you how to pass a test. Your first few years of driving you should be a sponge, soaking up as much information as possible. The only thing you should be doing is asking, not telling!

    I'm not saying that everybody who learned the old way is perfect, Lord knows there's plenty of idiots who've been out here 20+ and still don't know jack. And likewise, just because you came up through a school doesn't mean your forever a noob. But I am saying that you are a fool if you don't take advantage of the knowledge of the good old-schoolers. We have stories to tell, but you aren't likely to hear them told to the room. It does take a good BS detector to filter out the idiots who act like they know everything and make sure everyone knows it. But if you get the chance to sit and listen to the good guys telling stories, you'll be surprised at all the info you can glean. And I don't know a single old hand who won't answer your questions if you're willing to hear what they have to say. And most will help you if your willing to help your self, they'll show you what to do but won't just do it for you. We ain't perfect, the old outlaw ways don't go away easily; but chances are your questions are questions we once had.

    We had some advantages over you, learning: most of us already knew how to drive a stick, almost all of us had backed up trailers long before we got into a big truck, and many of us learned things by trial and error, out away from the crowded lots where a mistake is watched and mocked. A mistake usually just meant having to do it again instead of having to fill out paperwork because of a paint transfer. And few of us were jammed in a tincan with some psychopath (Well--one you didn't know...:biggrin_25525:) who saw you as little more than logbook miles.

    Formal training was all but non-existent; in my case I'd not been in a big truck more than 6 or 8 times, riding as a swamper; when the boss told me to take 'Ol Blue and run a few miles of section road so I could learn to shift the beast (I'd been running a hotshot rig up to that point.) I'd asked what was what when riding, so I knew the controls, but that was the extent of 'training'. More common was riding with someone you knew who'd show you the basics, then let you be. 'Uncledaddy' was common (Yeah, if you see this, noob; you tripped my trigger enough to get me to write this,) as was a family friend or neighbor. If you drove well enough to keep them asleep, you were doing ok! But the point was, you had someone who was more likely to have had 2 decades of experience rather than 2 years or less, as is common now. And sadly, that inexperience shows, especially in courtesy and backing.

    So Mr. NewBreed Professional Noobie TruckDriver, you keep making yourself feel better talking your smack about being the 'real' pro; but all of us who happen to know better just laugh at your arrogant, pompous self. There's lessons to be learned, pup; they ain't near as hard when you see 'em coming. Remember that as you tower over us mere mortals with your nose in the air.

     
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  3. TripleSober

    TripleSober Light Load Member

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    I'm not sure what prompted this post and it may well be deserved. There's all kinds of bad attitudes out there from newbies and pros alike.

    I'm in school. I'm not ashamed of that although sometimes I get the feeling some experienced drivers think I should be.

    I'm here to learn and if someone with a good attitude wants to help me learn I'm all ears. I think the key word is attitude though. I won't attempt to speak for every newbie out there but when I hear a "pro" telling me a story and I know 95% of the bad part is the poor attitude, I quit listening. There seems to be more whiners than usual in this industry.

    I'll NOT assume all pros have bad attitudes and keep and open mind if the pros don't assume I've got my head up my butt and think I'm above learning.

    Some of us want to become professionals and understand the learning will never stop.
     
  4. labagiamf

    labagiamf Light Load Member

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    I have read where experienced drivers have been disparaging to new drivers,but must admit i have not seen the threads or posts where new drivers have looked down on experienced drivers because they did not go to truck driving school. I would be very interested in seeing such threads/posts. If you would be so kind as to point me towards those threads/post,I would be most grateful.
    Thanks.
     
  5. Hammer166

    Hammer166 Crusty Information Officer

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    You're going to be just fine! And I definitely hear you on tuning out the bad attitude. Those guys haven't figured out that if they have problems everywhere, the issues might just reside a wee bit closer to home than they think.:biggrin_25524:
     
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  6. TripleSober

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    What's really sad is these schools that are suppose to be producing professional drivers have "teachers" with the worst attitude towards the trucking industry.

    You would not believe what's coming out of the mouths of these teachers. I use the word teacher loosely.

    Drive safe!!
     
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    KO1927 Medium Load Member

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    I've just got to say that this was an incredible moment of pride for me.

    I'm a rookie, but learned(ing) with a more old school way. The first time I caught my "trainer" nodding off in the passenger seat, I was pumped! {I guess he thinks I'm doing alright!}
     
  8. Hammer166

    Hammer166 Crusty Information Officer

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    post #121


    There have been others, but I've not kept a log. This was just the most recent poster/post.
     
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  9. tinytim

    tinytim Road Train Member

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    I've found that to be so true. It's amazing what you can pick up just listening to the experienced guys sitting around reminiscing.
     
  10. Big Don

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    "Old breed" vs "new breed." We see a lot of it on the forum here, and you see a lot of it on the road. I believe it is ALL "BS."

    We need to stop looking at people as sheep and stop generalizing. New OR old breed, if you have a decent attitude, you will HAVE and you will SHOW respect for other people. If a person is unable to respect themselves, then it makes it almost impossible for them to respect any one else.

    I know we all fall into the trap of disrespecting someone from time to time. On an individual basis, I'm not so sure that is a "bad" thing. After all, a person who is deserving of no respect, is just pissing in the wind if they expect to get it.

    But give the other person a chance to show what they are before making up your mind about them. Don't just "pigeon hole" them and forget it.
     
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  11. dieselpowerrules

    dieselpowerrules Light Load Member

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    I may be only 22 and have only been doing this for four years, but agree 110% with the OP. I will be the first one to admit I don't have sh## on the veteran drivers. I was lucky enough to grow up with a guy that lives next to my Grandma who is in his early sixties and has never done anything but drive truck since he was like 15 or 16. I have learned alot from this guy, but it seems the only way to actually get hired any where these days is to go to one of "the mills". I was very surprised how much you are not taught in school, but then again how much can be taught about whats basically an entire lifestyle in a lousy two months? I love listening and learning from older drivers and would never dream of trying to tell them anything or trying to say that I'm in anyway better at anything than them. I often ask so many questions that I think I am nothing but a huge bother, but luckily the guys I've worked with don't seem to mind...
     
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