Old School and Professionalism

Linte_Loco · May 25, 2011

gotta liven up the joint

http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=old+school&word2=new+school

panhandlepat · May 25, 2011

very good! this bears repeating....

Big Don said: ↑

"Old breed" vs "new breed." We see a lot of it on the forum here, and you see a lot of it on the road. I believe it is ALL "BS."

We need to stop looking at people as sheep and stop generalizing. New OR old breed, if you have a decent attitude, you will HAVE and you will SHOW respect for other people. If a person is unable to respect themselves, then it makes it almost impossible for them to respect any one else.

I know we all fall into the trap of disrespecting someone from time to time. On an individual basis, I'm not so sure that is a "bad" thing. After all, a person who is deserving of no respect, is just pissing in the wind if they expect to get it.

But give the other person a chance to show what they are before making up your mind about them. Don't just "pigeon hole" them and forget it.
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A big part of it in MY OPINION is the degradation of society in general.
In an age where a lot of kids are coddled and catered too, and parents want to be 'friends' instead of parents, it isn't hard to see why some behave the way they do.
they haven't been taught to own up to their mistakes, that they aren't FIRST, it's all ME ME ME.
This ain't just trucking folks, take a look around in general.....

bellydumper · May 27, 2011

Hammer166 said: ↑

I've noticed in a few different threads, that some of the "New Breed" looks down upon the "Old School" to the point of considering us unprofessional because we never went to driving school. You idiots! You don't even realize how little you know, much less understand that all that school does is teach you how to pass a test. Your first few years of driving you should be a sponge, soaking up as much information as possible. The only thing you should be doing is asking, not telling!

I'm not saying that everybody who learned the old way is perfect, Lord knows there's plenty of idiots who've been out here 20+ and still don't know jack. And likewise, just because you came up through a school doesn't mean your forever a noob. But I am saying that you are a fool if you don't take advantage of the knowledge of the good old-schoolers. We have stories to tell, but you aren't likely to hear them told to the room. It does take a good BS detector to filter out the idiots who act like they know everything and make sure everyone knows it. But if you get the chance to sit and listen to the good guys telling stories, you'll be surprised at all the info you can glean. And I don't know a single old hand who won't answer your questions if you're willing to hear what they have to say. And most will help you if your willing to help your self, they'll show you what to do but won't just do it for you. We ain't perfect, the old outlaw ways don't go away easily; but chances are your questions are questions we once had.

We had some advantages over you, learning: most of us already knew how to drive a stick, almost all of us had backed up trailers long before we got into a big truck, and many of us learned things by trial and error, out away from the crowded lots where a mistake is watched and mocked. A mistake usually just meant having to do it again instead of having to fill out paperwork because of a paint transfer. And few of us were jammed in a tincan with some psychopath (Well--one you didn't know...) who saw you as little more than logbook miles.

Formal training was all but non-existent; in my case I'd not been in a big truck more than 6 or 8 times, riding as a swamper; when the boss told me to take 'Ol Blue and run a few miles of section road so I could learn to shift the beast (I'd been running a hotshot rig up to that point.) I'd asked what was what when riding, so I knew the controls, but that was the extent of 'training'. More common was riding with someone you knew who'd show you the basics, then let you be. 'Uncledaddy' was common (Yeah, if you see this, noob; you tripped my trigger enough to get me to write this,) as was a family friend or neighbor. If you drove well enough to keep them asleep, you were doing ok! But the point was, you had someone who was more likely to have had 2 decades of experience rather than 2 years or less, as is common now. And sadly, that inexperience shows, especially in courtesy and backing.

So Mr. NewBreed Professional Noobie TruckDriver, you keep making yourself feel better talking your smack about being the 'real' pro; but all of us who happen to know better just laugh at your arrogant, pompous self. There's lessons to be learned, pup; they ain't near as hard when you see 'em coming. Remember that as you tower over us mere mortals with your nose in the air.
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It goes to their head! Like for example swift calls their school an "ACADEMY" like its a law enforcement academy! The drivers like yourself as well as my dad who is a 20+ year vet know more about these rookies who dont know nothing but just what their mentor taught him. Each mentor is different,some only have a 1 or 2 experience driving themselves and they dont know much either. I will say there is NO driver that can say they "know it all" thats because you learn something NEW everyday!

bellydumper · May 27, 2011

Ive noticed the TTR has turned into somewhat of a controversial soap opera. I will from now call TTR "The Trucks and the Restless"

lordnine · May 28, 2011

I wish I could have trained and obtained my cdl the "old way" instead of going to a school. However, I was unable to find anyone locally who even owned their own truck and was willing to train. Also, I couldn't afford a local school so I had to use driver solutions and did some time at C1 in Fort Wayne.

I don't regret going there and I am proud of what I accomplished. I do wish I could have gotten more road time because I only drove the truck on the road 4 times(including the state cdl test). I passed the 2nd time I went to take it. The first time I said the wrong psi for the last step of the 4 pt.

I would NEVER presume to be better than anyone because I went to "school" to be a driver. I read in an earlier post that school only prepares you how to pass the test and I would say that is exactly right. However, my road instructor was comfortable enough with me the last time I was out he let drive and do things they aren't allowed to let students do(i.e. drive bobtail).

I love hearing stories from people who have been there and done that and I know there will be plenty of them so I look forward to finally heading out with my company trainer to get my feet wet.

outerspacehillbilly · May 28, 2011

Hammer166 said: ↑

I've noticed in a few different threads, that some of the "New Breed" looks down upon the "Old School" to the point of considering us unprofessional because we never went to driving school. You idiots! You don't even realize how little you know, much less understand that all that school does is teach you how to pass a test. Your first few years of driving you should be a sponge, soaking up as much information as possible. The only thing you should be doing is asking, not telling!

I'm not saying that everybody who learned the old way is perfect, Lord knows there's plenty of idiots who've been out here 20+ and still don't know jack. And likewise, just because you came up through a school doesn't mean your forever a noob. But I am saying that you are a fool if you don't take advantage of the knowledge of the good old-schoolers. We have stories to tell, but you aren't likely to hear them told to the room. It does take a good BS detector to filter out the idiots who act like they know everything and make sure everyone knows it. But if you get the chance to sit and listen to the good guys telling stories, you'll be surprised at all the info you can glean. And I don't know a single old hand who won't answer your questions if you're willing to hear what they have to say. And most will help you if your willing to help your self, they'll show you what to do but won't just do it for you. We ain't perfect, the old outlaw ways don't go away easily; but chances are your questions are questions we once had.

We had some advantages over you, learning: most of us already knew how to drive a stick, almost all of us had backed up trailers long before we got into a big truck, and many of us learned things by trial and error, out away from the crowded lots where a mistake is watched and mocked. A mistake usually just meant having to do it again instead of having to fill out paperwork because of a paint transfer. And few of us were jammed in a tincan with some psychopath (Well--one you didn't know...) who saw you as little more than logbook miles.

Formal training was all but non-existent; in my case I'd not been in a big truck more than 6 or 8 times, riding as a swamper; when the boss told me to take 'Ol Blue and run a few miles of section road so I could learn to shift the beast (I'd been running a hotshot rig up to that point.) I'd asked what was what when riding, so I knew the controls, but that was the extent of 'training'. More common was riding with someone you knew who'd show you the basics, then let you be. 'Uncledaddy' was common (Yeah, if you see this, noob; you tripped my trigger enough to get me to write this,) as was a family friend or neighbor. If you drove well enough to keep them asleep, you were doing ok! But the point was, you had someone who was more likely to have had 2 decades of experience rather than 2 years or less, as is common now. And sadly, that inexperience shows, especially in courtesy and backing.

So Mr. NewBreed Professional Noobie TruckDriver, you keep making yourself feel better talking your smack about being the 'real' pro; but all of us who happen to know better just laugh at your arrogant, pompous self. There's lessons to be learned, pup; they ain't near as hard when you see 'em coming. Remember that as you tower over us mere mortals with your nose in the air.

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A big part of it is just the fact that people today have been taught to reward mediocrity, and have been coddled since birth. Given everything they ever wanted and told that they are the best even when they suck in reality. There are some members here that prove that fact.

Wargames · May 28, 2011

Linte_Loco said: ↑

gotta liven up the joint

http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=old+school&word2=new+school
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I went to a martial arts tournament years ago, and this older fella vs youngster. Well the older fella had a job digging graves in a grave yard. He was from Rockford, Illinois. but the funny thing here is, He dug the graves, with a Pick, and shovel. No Machines. He put this younger guy down in seconds. This man was unbelievably strong.

KO1927 · May 28, 2011

Wargames said: ↑

I went to a martial arts tournament years ago, and this older fella vs youngster. Well the older fella had a job digging graves in a grave yard. He was from Rockford, Illinois. but the funny thing here is, He dug the graves, with a Pick, and shovel. No Machines. He put this younger guy down in seconds. This man was unbelievably strong.
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Our local cemetery man does them by hand as well; he doesn't like how the excavators tear up the surrounding turf. (Saves the cemetery a few bucks as well)

SHO-TYME · May 28, 2011

Hammer166 said: ↑

I've noticed in a few different threads, that some of the "New Breed" looks down upon the "Old School" to the point of considering us unprofessional because we never went to driving school. You idiots! You don't even realize how little you know, much less understand that all that school does is teach you how to pass a test. Your first few years of driving you should be a sponge, soaking up as much information as possible. The only thing you should be doing is asking, not telling!

I'm not saying that everybody who learned the old way is perfect, Lord knows there's plenty of idiots who've been out here 20+ and still don't know jack. And likewise, just because you came up through a school doesn't mean your forever a noob. But I am saying that you are a fool if you don't take advantage of the knowledge of the good old-schoolers. We have stories to tell, but you aren't likely to hear them told to the room. It does take a good BS detector to filter out the idiots who act like they know everything and make sure everyone knows it. But if you get the chance to sit and listen to the good guys telling stories, you'll be surprised at all the info you can glean. And I don't know a single old hand who won't answer your questions if you're willing to hear what they have to say. And most will help you if your willing to help your self, they'll show you what to do but won't just do it for you. We ain't perfect, the old outlaw ways don't go away easily; but chances are your questions are questions we once had.

We had some advantages over you, learning: most of us already knew how to drive a stick, almost all of us had backed up trailers long before we got into a big truck, and many of us learned things by trial and error, out away from the crowded lots where a mistake is watched and mocked. A mistake usually just meant having to do it again instead of having to fill out paperwork because of a paint transfer. And few of us were jammed in a tincan with some psychopath (Well--one you didn't know...) who saw you as little more than logbook miles.

Formal training was all but non-existent; in my case I'd not been in a big truck more than 6 or 8 times, riding as a swamper; when the boss told me to take 'Ol Blue and run a few miles of section road so I could learn to shift the beast (I'd been running a hotshot rig up to that point.) I'd asked what was what when riding, so I knew the controls, but that was the extent of 'training'. More common was riding with someone you knew who'd show you the basics, then let you be. 'Uncledaddy' was common (Yeah, if you see this, noob; you tripped my trigger enough to get me to write this,) as was a family friend or neighbor. If you drove well enough to keep them asleep, you were doing ok! But the point was, you had someone who was more likely to have had 2 decades of experience rather than 2 years or less, as is common now. And sadly, that inexperience shows, especially in courtesy and backing.

So Mr. NewBreed Professional Noobie TruckDriver, you keep making yourself feel better talking your smack about being the 'real' pro; but all of us who happen to know better just laugh at your arrogant, pompous self. There's lessons to be learned, pup; they ain't near as hard when you see 'em coming. Remember that as you tower over us mere mortals with your nose in the air.
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Good post!!

I didn't go to a truck driving school either, but then again, I grew up on a farm and started driving tractors at the age of 5. When I started driving semi, I was taken out 3 times to be shown how the truck operated,(I drove for a John Deere dealer.), then I got my chauffer's license,age 21, before CDLs, and was handed the keys and told not to screw up.

I think it's tougher to get started now days because insurance companies have alot to say about how old drivers have to be. But then again, I've been around some new drivers and after seeing what their instructors taught them, the instructors need to go back to school....... I will say this though, the trucks nowdays are easier to drive, anti lock brakes, auto transmissions, air ride, power steering.

I know that there are some old school drivers out there full of BS, but the same goes with some new ones. I've been doing this for 23 years and still learn something new everyday I get behind the wheel.

Kittyfoot · May 28, 2011

It's not really a matter of who's better, it's more akin to an initiation.

Seriously tho folks, you;re coming into our house here. There are rules and expectations. Nobody's gonna move the furniture or redecorate to please you. It's up to you to fit in, 'cause nobody owes you jack.

Personally, I'd bet most of you will do fine.

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