I was just down 2688 today,WAAAAAAAY out in the pasture
Had no problem talking to the TA T/S about 50 miles south
Got on 25 and 30 and smashed the water trucks for a few minutes,shoulda heard'em . . . .
galaxy 99 or general lee
Discussion in 'CB Radio Forum' started by southtx, May 26, 2011.
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Finally decided and got a general lee myself. Got it through gijoes with the upgrades and align added in.
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The FCC does not have anything to do with drugs or immigration They are only allowed to enforce radio laws. INS is not allowed to enforce radio laws
BUT can report illegal use to the FCC .....
In almost 20 years of working for the radio shops of law enforcement agencys only 2 people have been arrested here in this county by the S.O. for illegal use of radios .... BOTH for using them to track officers while they tracked the drug dealers ..... ALSO a local law enforcement agency can only enforce radio laws under the Federal law PL 106-521 so you have little to fear from the local cops ...... -
Why does a person need a license to hit the side channels? I'm not being sarcastic and I don't use them, but I would like to know why they are off limits to private citizens.
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Let me put it to you this way. Why is there a law that says I can't break your door down and come in your house? Or take your TV? Would you want it that way? Lawlessness? Kill or be killed? Surely not.
Radio is a finite resource. It must be shared due to its characteristics. And to do that, it must be regulated to allow for the most and best use of it by the most people. That is why there is a Federal Communications Commission that sets up regulations for the use of radio. Therefore, "blocks" of radio frequencies are set up and assigned to people according to their need and the characteristics of the frequencies themselves (how they behave). IF there was no regulation, you nor anyone would be able to use the frequencies because chaos would reign.
There are NO such thing as a "freeband". It is ASSIGNED to other users not only by FCC (civilian), but by other agencies within the government (NTIA, for example) for military, commercial, and broadcast. It is a peculiar myth and phenomonon of CB radio that seems to dictate that the more lawless, the better, the more power you can have, the more you can "step on" the other fella, the better it is. Nothing could be further from the truth, and it is one of the reasons that CB is derided and made fun of as "low-life", "ignorant", called the "chicken band", and given a whole bunch of derogatory nomers. Part of this is because it causes more problems for OTHER radio services than any of the others combined. How many illegal "export" radios are there? How many "peaked, beeped and squeaked" modifications are there? How many bootleg CB shops out there that promise the "biggest reddio around" with his "special" modification to make your radio the loudest, proudest, walking-the-doggest, bestest reddidio in the land! How many "leenyars"?
And everybody believes it, too!
The 10 Meter band is assigned to the Amateur Radio Service via international treaty. The Feds can't just up and "give" extra channels to CB, nor can they override existing treaties. The so-called "10 Meter" export radios with the "bands of channels" (A, B, C, D, E) are against the law to USE on CB. Period. Every frequency is ASSIGNED to somebody or some use (buffers) and there are no "channels" to give. By flipping those "band" switches, truckers think they have found a "quiet" channel for them to jabber-jaw on. Not true. Legally and literally, it is the SAME THING AS IF I BROKE into your truck and took your radio! It is STEALING something from the legitimate users. Just because it is an intangible thing (frequency) as opposed to a tangible object (radio), it doesn't mean its OK to STEAL said frequency from those who followed the law for the privilege of using those frequencies. There are NO-EXTRA-CHANNELS anywhere that are available or not assigned. ALL are licensed either by the FCC or by NTIA or military authorization. IF you steal from the hams (by flipping 'band' switches to land on 10 Meters) they will locate you and report you to FCC Special Counsel for Enforcement). It makes THEM just as MAD when YOU steal frequencies from THEM as it does for somebody to break in your truck and steal something from YOU!
CBers have 40 channels! 40! Count 'em! Yet, most of them go begging for lack of use. But people want to feel "special" because they (think) they got a secret or special truckers channel that others can't go to. 'Tain't so! My advice is to stay OFF "them extra channels". They aren't 'yours'! Especially 10 Meters.
If you want additional privileges, additional frequencies, then they certainly ARE available to you IF you are willing to EARN the privilege.
IF you are willing to follow some pretty easy regulations, you can get MILLIONS of "channels" and more DX and exotic lands a CB radio will NEVER hear! I am referring to the Amateur Radio license. Your truck can become a communications center, a rival of the best mobile stations around. A tractor and trailor makes a wonder HF radio platform with a good screwdriver antenna, you can log countries from Spain to Russia, to Australia and Europe. You can have many hours of fun and company on those long hauls---even keep in touch with your family at home (especially if they are licensed, too!) Look into it and abandon the "CB culture" of lawlessness and "linears" and 'extra' channels with the fun of Amateur Radio. With the license, you won't NEED "extree" illegal channels!
GF
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GOOD HONEST QUESTION ......
The only channels you can use are the 40 cb ones. ( 1-40 )
That said .....
MOST of the frequencies from 25.000 mhz to 28.000Mhz OTHER that 26.965mhz ( ch1) to 27.405mhz ( ch40 ) belong to Land moble or the US Goverment. There are HAM RADIO bands at 12 meters ( 24.900-25.000 mhz ) and 10 meters ( 28.000 - 29.700 mhz )If you get a ham license you can use the ham bands. ALL others are off limits .... -
So I read through your condescending to truck drivers response and I gathered that the reason you are irritated is because you also don't want to hear truck drivers on the radio. Let me re-phrase my original question. What is being discussed on side channels (and for God's sake quit with the quotation marks around any term that you have deemed slang) that is so important that a license is needed. Your comparison of tangible and intangible was ill constructed. I paid for my personal tangible possessions and you paid nothing for an intangible side channel or "frequency." I'm not trying to irritate you, but you continue to speak down to everyone who questions a section of an act that was passed in 1934. I believe international communication has probably progressed in the past 77 years. It may be time to revise a portion of the act if there is no reason to keep private citizens from having access to the side channels. Its like when documents are declassified not like when someone kicks in your front door. If the side channels are serving a purpose then by all means they should be left the way they are now, but if they are just a quiet place for people with a license to talk then a license shouldn't be needed because there is no danger for the private citizen.
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Communications has progressed exponentially in 77 years; that's true. But there are some things that dont change. That is, the characteristics of radio signals (physics). You HAVE access to additional frequencies! It's called a CELL PHONE, Wi Fi, MURS, FRS, computers, email--all of which work far better than that of an out-dated CB radio! We didn't have those things in 1958 when CB radio was carved out of the 11 Meter amateur band to create a "Citizen's Band" to be used by the private citizen. Radio frequencies were separated and divided up according to the need of various entities. A CB radio is really nothing but a toy that serves mostly one purpose; truckers and entertainment. Private citizens do not need to be talking, for example, on 450 MHZ to the cops. They have a job to do. You and I are not trained for that, all we would do with our presence is gum up the works. Railroads operate in 160 MHZ. Their communications is specific to their needs. Untrained citizens would only foul up everything--even cause disasterous wrecks. The military uses, again in their OWN way, various frequencies above and below CB. Ways we are not qualified to criticize, and ways that are beyond that of the ordinary citizen. That is NOT "condescending": It's just the truth! Citizens have NO business yakking about basically nothing on the 'side' channels. At least one agency operates extensive Search and Rescue operations on both HF and VHF. I know it for a fact. Twenty six megs is part of their A.L.E. protocol. Do you know or understand what ALE is? Some of us do, some of us don't. Again, not condescending. It's just a fact. By law, interfering with ANY radio communications is against the law. IF you interfere with a live search and rescue operation, you can be charged the ACTUAL cost of the operation
plus jail time! That means, you could lose EVERYTHING if they push it-----and they HAVE in the past!
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.........gathered that the reason you are irritated is because you also don't want to hear truck drivers on the radio. (Quote)
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That's got nothing to do with it. Where it regards the hams and 10 Meters, the drivers mostly show up on 28.085 AM using phone. This area is RESERVED for digital and Morse Code transmissions; even the hams themselves are enjoined from using phone (voice) in that area. This was set up by international treaty between nations and something called ITU. Our FCC generally follows this with certain exceptions. Now, a licensed ham has, (yeah, he PAID for the privilege of using those frequencies by complying with the law and taking tests to prove competency--it is not always in terms of money) paid for his privileges by EARNING that right and agreeing to OBEY the rules of the service (Part 97, US Code). If a driver has the amateur license, he is welcomed. If not, he and anyone else who shows up (I paid fer this here radio and I'll talk anywhere I want to, blah, blah)) on any amateur band will be sought out and turned into FCC for prosecution. That is what has been happening on 10 Meters. People somehow get something called "mike-eye-tus". They get a mike in their hand, their head swells up, and they become "this here big, bad radio hombre"---all because of an outdated, LIMITED, old-technology CB radio that hasn't changed that much since 1958!
Condescending is in the mind of the reader. There is really nothing to argue about. Everything has a cost associated with it. YOU had to pay a price for your CDL to drive a truck. You had to buy a tag for your car. The only FREE radio is 40 channel CB radio with 4 watts. If you WANT additional frequencies, more things to do with a radio, BETTER and more useful radio equipment, then your option is----study the material for the amateur radio license and be willing to comply with a few rules. In exchange you will get MILLIONS of what CBers call "channels". and more long-distance communications than you can keep track of. It's the way it works. Anything else is ILLEGAL, caused problems for other rightful users, and can cost YOU a bunch of bucks! It's all up to you. If that's condescending, I don't know how to explain it any better!
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WHAT DID HE SAY ????
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Whether you agree or not with GF's method of posts, he's right. Certain frequencies are allocated by the FCC to certain groups. CB is allocated its band, and nothing else. Not whatever you think you can talk on, not what your radio is capable of, the citizens band is what it is, and its really dumb that people think they can abuse that. Respect goes a long way.
Same type of rule would apply if your hopped up Galaxy broadcasted on commercial FM radio...dont think you would get in trouble? You are not supposed to be there.
Same as well for all of us CDL holders. What if people were driving interstate with full size CMV's and just a basic license? We paid for testing, schooling, training, etc. We earned the right to do this. It's not just for anyone.
I am not a ham, I know they get pushy when it comes to their territory. But hey, its theirs, and was allocated to them by a Federal organization. I dont know why people think this is such a flexible rule, it's pretty cut and dry.
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