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Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by iowabmw, Jul 17, 2007.

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  1. Jul 17, 2007 #1
    iowabmw

    iowabmw Medium Load Member

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    Here goes yet another thread from me. I have researched hauling asphalt, hauling coils in end dumps and I have quickly learned that end dumps are so versatile that there is a mast aray of loads I can haul. Right now hauling asphalt is really slow around here and they are having a hard time keeping drivers busy. What is a good size end dump to have to haul a little bit of everything (gravel, sand, salt, grain, etc.)? What trailer manufactures are good ones? What axle set up is the best all around (spread, tandems, 3rd lift)?
     
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  3. Jul 17, 2007 #2
    MACK E-6

    MACK E-6 Moderator Staff Member

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    For gravel, sand, salt, grain, and that sort of thing, I'd say your best choice would be a Lumatech frameless trailer. With a daycab you could probably get 27 tons in one of these.

    I'd wouldn't advise loading any stone larger than gabion however. Anything bigger like class 1 riprap would damage it.
     
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  4. Jul 17, 2007 #3
    iowabmw

    iowabmw Medium Load Member

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    Thanks I will look some of them up. Now what about the length? I will be buying a flattop with a little sleeper for the just in case otr load.
     
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  5. Jul 17, 2007 #4
    iowabmw

    iowabmw Medium Load Member

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    Thanks I will look some of them up. Now what about the length? I will be buying a flattop with a little sleeper for the just in case otr load.
     
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  7. Jul 18, 2007 #5
    kelgar50

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    39' frameless Vantage.These are made down in Tx and are very good dumps pulled these for a few years myself.Go with a close tandem also,you don't need a spread get an airgauge on the thing and go to work.Spreads are over kill for that type of work and hard on tires.
     
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  8. Jul 18, 2007 #6
    farmbig_01

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    I have had in the past a Vantage and an East both 39' frameless. Right now I have a Mac 39' frameless and an Americian 39' frameless. They are both round bottom of course, and would not be able to haul coils in them. I like the round bottom as it seems material slides out of them better, and they are pretty light weight. I dont think you would want a frameless if you are hauling asphault or spreading anything. They have to pretty much set on stable level ground while dumping. With a 39' trailer you will need at least a 190-195" wb truck to be able to gross 80K. Thats something else to think about. If you do go with a frameless I would suggest a Vantage also. They seem to be a good trailer and are lighter than a sheet/post trailer.
     
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  9. Jul 18, 2007 #7
    MACK E-6

    MACK E-6 Moderator Staff Member

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    As far as the Bridge Formula goes, you need two things for 80k gross. The first is no less than 36' on center between your front drive axle and your rear trailer axle. This will allow you to carry 34k apiece on both tandems.

    The second is no less than 51' on center from your steering axle to your rear trailer axle. This allows you the 80k gross.
     
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  10. Jul 18, 2007 #8
    iowabmw

    iowabmw Medium Load Member

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    What about a East 36.5' length 35' tub 60" sides Tri axle with a 3rd axle lift. The truck I am also looking at is either a 95 379 270"wb 63" flat top 500 Cat or a 93 379 265"wb 63" flat top sleeper.
     
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  11. Jul 18, 2007 #9
    farmbig_01

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    Which I figured would be roughly a 190" wb truck. My buddy had a Freightliner day cab with around 180" wb truck and he was right at 12" short of 80K. He was at 77500-78000 if I remember right.
     
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  12. Jul 18, 2007 #10
    MACK E-6

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    Keep in mind that a lift axle will cut into your payload more than simply a longer trailer. Your trailer would only need to be a few feet longer than what you said to not need the lift axle anymore, unless you just want the extra set of brakes for more stopping power.
     
    MACK E-6, Jul 18, 2007
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