ECOTAZ ECO Fuelsystems Fuel Enhancers - Does it work?

Good luck with that.

 

WOW!!!! Looks like somebody does not like the test results from the Professional Testers that volunteered. I apologize for putting you gentlemen in this situation! 1st your called Idiots,(which he misspelled IDIOITS), and now your told that your "Habits of Driving are changed because this device was installed" .
If I knew my product had magical powers to change your driving habits just by installing it I would charge $1000.00 per unit. The hard part is to keep that magical spell going for as long as that unit lasts and the truck lasts.
Now, they do not want you to believe what you are SEEING, FEELING, Physically Observing, and The Money You are Putting in THE BANK. In other words Don't Trust Yourself, Believe in Me. I am a Scientist!
Controlled Lab Test Say that certain cars will give you 18 miles in the city and 24 Highway. You buy the car and you get no where near that. The dealer says "Well that is under contolled testing not real world driving. I want to know what my truck does with my driving and my fuel.
I agree lab tests have their place.
Now what we know here for sure is Who I am and who I represent, we also know the members testing are professional drivers. What we do not know is who RSFRIEND and RCA1802 or who they represent. The only people that will fiercely object to any positive findings are competitors with diesel additives or Stock holders in oil. I have not seen any of these two gentlemen offer a way for you the members to put an additional $300.00 to $400.00 a month back in your pockets. I do not know if these two gentlemen just want to push their science knowledge around and try to disprove what you have already found out. Like the Gentleman that invented the Helicopter. He was bashed and laughed at,that his Helicopter would not fly, and his quote was "A Bumble Bee is not supposed to fly, but since he knows nothing of Aeronautics, he gets up and flys.
This is all about the Almighty Dollar. At the begginning I stated that the person to benfit the most from our product would be the Owner Operator. He drives the most and buys the most diesel. I offered to put up 5 units for testing and wound up with more than that. Now that there is positive results we start getting bashed, compared to snake oil, and called names.
With our product, if your not happy we refund 100% of your money. We are listed with BBB and carry an A+ rating.
No one has been had!!! and if you do not want to save money by what we know we can do for you or by the Magical Powers claimed by science that we change your driving habits, you are under no obligation.
The bottom line here is:This is not rocket science. You do not need a multimillion dollar controlled lab test to tell you:
How your truck runs,
How much fuel your buying,
How much shifting your doing,
How much less money you put in the fuel pump and leave in your pocket
Simple Math and Common Sense.
You have money to gain / Nothing to lose.

 

Nice diatribe.

You've played fast and loose with previous posts.

I don't own a penny of oil-related stock nor do I work for any concern remotely related to the petroleum industry.

I simply believe that your product is less about saving others money and more about lining your pockets.

Your jump to conspiracy theories about myself and rsfriend working for the oil industry pretty much puts the nail in the coffin for me.

Great line of BS, but not a whole lot of substance there.

 

I am not posting this to be condescending but as I just realized that you have no experience as a driver it is understandable that you can't put the significance of what the people doing the testing are seeing.

Any driver with experience will tell you that unless they have a dedicated gig that it would be nearly impossible to determine something is providing a 2-3% increase in the real world as many tested products claim (aero tabs, super singles, side skirts). And even on a dedicated run it would take a year plus to get any solid data.

And yes, I driver claiming 3-5% increase could be a result of a change of driving habits and conditions.

But when you have a group of O/O's seeing the results that are being posted here over the period of time we are seeing, a professional driver knows that it is highly unlikely that all of the O/O's had poor driving habits and changed them once they installed this device. Because that is the only way a driver could get the type of results over this period of time. These level of results are meaningful to a driver with years of experience. Far beyond what any test would say because a professional driver knows that you get these results from lies or an actual working product.

Plenty of products on the market with the test results you seek that are worthless in the real world. This is why the professional drivers watching this are not chiming in. Most will never believe another lab test, will give others experience some consideration and only believe it once the see the results themselves.

So when BigJohn says he will take the real world tests, that is because us out here in the real world have learned years ago that the lab tests are only good for government grants, getting self space at the TA and wiping your ...

 

Your points are well-taken.

Let's take the term "lab" test out of this.

I'm not doubting the results the drivers are posting. I don't believe the methodology is sound and because of this the results aren't objective.

I'd settle for a controlled - blind test with those results reported by the driver. I don't think this would be practical unless it was funded as my thought would be that you would have 6-8 identical make/model trucks with half equipped with the device and half not. The engine compartment would be sealed to prevent inadvertent bias or you could have a dummy device "a placebo if you will".

I appreciate having a dialogue where we can discuss varying points of view.

I have to say that ECOTAZ's tact in addressing a viewpoint other than his own comes off as - for lack of a better term "Snake-oil Salesman-like".

 

Well you don;t understand this business and Ben has been nothing but professional even when dealing with you.

 

We aren't going to agree on this.

It is less about understanding the trucking business and more about recognizing when something is too good to be true.

I hope this really does work for you. I hope it works even better for those who shell out their hard-earned cash.

I'd hardly characterize his tirade as professional at least in the context of any profession outside of sales.

 

I think if you go back and read you will see so posted that I don't believe a few weeks tell the story. I will back up what others say about every fill up I have noticed a difference. It used to be very difficult for me to achieve 6.0 mpg or better with light loads. I had several light loads during the test and without changing my 70-73 mph ways saw 6.1 to 6.5 on about 5 fill ups. I was very impressed. I have 1,039,000 miles on my truck and have a log showing every fillup since 870,000 miles when I flashed the eco and upgraded the turbo. So in that 170,000 miles I dont have a single month with more than an occasional Lucky 6.0 or 6.1 on a single fill up that month... To see it several times in three weeks to me is phenomenal... I also KNOW exactly how my truck runs and responds. There is
a definite improved throttle response. My truck seems to have seen lesser improvement mpg wise than everyone else but that is ok. I like the unit, it took 15 minutes to install, hasn't hurt anything, and was free. I say it works from what I can see...

 

You evidently have a good education and are very good with words, however you have not provided any evidence that our product does not work. We have engineers and scientists that we have worked with over the years. I have a lot of respect for them They have given us good advice and have helped protect our patents over the yaers as well. As I stated before, the only ones that would viciously attack anyone here on this thread would be competitors or stockholders in oil. There is a lot of competition here in this business and many people do not want to know if our product works or not, but HOW DOES IT WORK?
You didn't offer to tell us what you do or why you would care if these guys save a lot of money every month so that tells me a lot about you! I am not killing anyone so I do not need to nail a coffin. I have dealt with Scientist and Engineers with NASA Whitesands Test Facilities, with Southern Cal Gas on Generators, with Cummins Engines Manufacturing Plants in North Carolina and many more that are all highly educated and many with Phd's and I can say that most are humble and respectful. Lots of them have told me that there is no law that states that you have to have a scientific test done on any aftermarket product to prove if it works or not. If you need scientific proof because you can't figure something this simple on your own that is your right, but if your wanting to know how we do it then you will need to study a little more.

I do not need a great line of BS since I let the product speak for itself. In real world testing.

As for lining my pockets that is not a secret, I do not know of any Owner/Operator that would not trade $375.00 one time payment for $300.00 to $400.00 a month in return on fuel savings. With a guarantee that if he is not satisfied he gets 100% money back within 90 days. Most testers have proven to save that much in the first month. I do not work for free and I never have said I did. My Partner and I work for profit. I am sure the O/O's here know that by now. You on the other hand are not a trucker and offer nothing in the way of savings. If you have an idea this is the place to share it. These are inteligent, open minded professionals that work hard for their money. They have a lot of respect and know their business.

Their money saved is all the substance they need. Money in the Bank. Profit!!!!!

 

Ben, well put. I hope some motor company finds you and pays you a ton for your product. Just let us know before the deal closes so we can get some spares for future trucks.