Different Factoring Question

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by BigBadBill, Sep 11, 2011.

  1. fortycalglock

    fortycalglock Road Train Member

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    3% non-recourse funding? You'll have drivers beating down your door. However, if you are paying to borrow that cash, I think your margin will be slim. One bad bill and it would hurt, much less a decently large company going under and you'd be sunk. A trucking company getting ready to file bankruptcy pulling a lot of ghost loads would wipe you out too. I've had my share of 60-90 day pays and they are no fun for sure. I would have hated to have been holding 50-100k in Truckers Express invoices when they folded FOR SURE! So, it's not all roses, but structured properly it can be a money maker. That is if you like to be a debt collector.

    Here's the best deal I found when I went looking in 05 from Paragon Financial here in FL. It was profitable for them. 1% every ten days with recourse. Pretty much 2 years in business, good D+B and CompuNet were the qualifiers to get funded, but as it was recourse, I had wiggle room. 90% advance, with reserves release upon check clearing. Check or wire transfer. Same day funding if in by 2pm, all I had to do was fax a copy of bill of lading, invoice, and load confirmation and the wire transfer hit my checking account that night. I mailed all of my billing to my customers, not the factoring company. My customers mailed the checks to the factoring company. It was a decent deal when compared to other factoring companies. However, I hope to never be in the situation to need one again (I hired an owner operator and needed to pay him before 40 days, or at least he thought so).
     
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  3. BigBadBill

    BigBadBill Bullishly Optimistic

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    Our target O/O is not going to be the one that needs his money overnight. A factoring company that is set-up to fund EVERYTHING within 24-hours is looking at 2-3% in overhead, not counting the cost of money. Because credit is such a huge deal, they need to have the staff available to process at peak volumes at all times. We looked at the books of one large known factoring company that is in trouble, not because of bad debt, but because of the overhead. If they fund $500,000 in a month then they are looking at making less than 1%. And when you looked at the operation you could improve some processes but that would require addition investments to get that to 1.5%.

    We plan on charging at least part of the UCC filing to the company. Considering that we will be charging a low fee that seems fair.

    Risk management is the biggest thing that can get out of control with a company like this. We would have credit limits on specific companies per carrier and as a whole for our company. We have spent some time talking to someone that has been doing this in and out of trucking for years. There is a lot that goes on behind the scenes between factoring companies and the broker/shipper/etc.

    I am sure there will be lots of little tweaks before we launch this.

    I will say this about factoring companies that irks me. They are not just marking up fees, some of the fees are over 1000% markup and some have no external expense at all. Someone factoring $4-5k per week could see an additional 1-2% in expenses.
     
  4. wichris

    wichris Road Train Member

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    If you put a total credit limit on a broker(shipper,ect) and a few carriers top it out what are you going to say to the others? If you turn them down what is the advantage in using you versus someone else? If they are factoring they need the money and will pay a higher rate for less turndowns. You can get away with a total credit limit availible to a carrier as long as you use some sort of guideline(and carry it fairly across the board to all)
     
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    BigBadBill Bullishly Optimistic

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    This is how factoring companies are doing it now. You are reading managing risk as more turndowns. This is how they stay in business. How it is done is complicated and accounts for everything.
     
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    wichris Road Train Member

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    If someone is not on a contract and is turned down(the broker is either approved or not) they will go elsewhere. You will have to be flexible in that regard. You are assuming risk,there may be times you have to assume more. If you operate on a pick and choose when/who you want to you will severly limit clients.
     
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    BigBadBill Bullishly Optimistic

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    Again, you are in some way reading how we would be managing risk that we are being more restrictive than other factoring companies. And my last response was short as I was responding from my tablet.

    A factoring company my approve a broker today, tomorrow they may be recourse and next week not approved. This can be that the carrier is doing a large percentage of loads, that the factor is getting more invoices overall from this broker and/or the broker is paying slow and/or playing games to delay payment.

    And I agree, that if our credit standards are so tight that it is hard to get a broker approved we would lose clients.

    But I don’t recall even indicating that our business model was one that would be overly restrictive in our credit standards.

    But you can’t have just a set standard and line I in the sand in this business. A carrier that only factors a portion of their invoices is going to be a higher risk than someone that factors everything. Because in general when someone is picking what to factor it is likely they are factoring invoices of brokers that are slow pay or they feel are a risk for some reason.

    And this is how this business is conducted. But please don’t believe because I am talking about risk management that I am for some reason talking about being more restrictive.
     
  8. fortycalglock

    fortycalglock Road Train Member

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    Not really. Why would someone factor a Landstar, CHR, Mercer, etc bill with you when they can get there money in two days minus 1.5%. That doesn't mean the rest of the guys loads are gonna be losers, it just means he's smart and watching his bottom line.
     
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    BigBadBill Bullishly Optimistic

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    Oh, I agree on that point. I'm talking about taking those out of the mix. I have used a factoring company not because of cash flow issues but to distribute risk and to get the fuel discount. Fuel discount alone paid for almost all of my fees. And was able to get rid of credit service that made up the difference. Also thought it would make collections easier but it made it harder. I sent enought for fuel and would take the ones that seemed riskier to me. I'm not using them anymore because they caused more issues than it was worth.
     
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