Who here knows about frac sand tankers. As we begin the move to expanding CNG drilling and looking in new places to destroy for fuel. It seems to me this (for a few years) could be a short term way to keep getting paid...... Has anyone anything to add to this?
Frac sand tankers
Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by Old Salt, Sep 26, 2010.
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It seems to me that pneumatic tankers formerly used in the cement biz are just sitting due to construction all but vanishing and can now be had for next to nothing.
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You were correct on this one. Big $ difference from then to now!
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My Company been sell pneumatic like crazy. Just took one to Odessa!
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Finding a used pneumatic of any stripe is akin to trying to find a multi colored unicorn that poops golden skittles.......almost impossible. I tried for weeks to get my hands on a used pneumatic only to find that every trailer salesman has a list of 20-30 people looking for pneumatic tanks and if a used one hits their lot it's gone in about 2-3 hours max. Doesn't matter whether it's cement or sand ready, they go out the door in a hurry.
The prices for used pneumatics are unbelievable. I know a guy in Montana who sold a 1972 Clough for $30,000. I have a new Mac on order, price with FET after adding quite a few options is $71,950. The original build date for mine was late December, now it's late January and my salesman says don't be surprised if it's early to mid February. The manufacturers are all a minimum of 5 weeks behind and getting a new one before next March, if you order today, is next to impossible.
As for this being short term, companies in the Bakken shale play are planning at least 20 years worth of investment and work (my brother in law has worked at the Hess gas plant in Tioga for 30 years, and Hess has a 25 year investment strategy for the region at this time). They're already 2 years behind where they planned to be in the number of wells in operation, as they've been stymied by the difficulty of adding equipment and manpower. Current estimates have the available reserves in the Bakken at around 20 billion barrels. Here's a link to a white paper on the Bakken: http://eprinc.org/?p=824&utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=the-bakken-boom -
hate to say " I told you so" lol. next thing will be knuckle cranes mounted to sleeper trucks with flats or prentice loader mounted to sleeper trucks pulling log trailers for moving pipe lines. its not too late.
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as far as long term... well when people start having the well water catch fire i think your going to find a slow down. lol another thing is that a large co. will use subs for everything at first then "trim the fat" and in-house lots of outside stuff. they will lease trucks and hire drivers to control cost. I think i would have to think long and hard about spending lots of money on equipment for just one customer. that would put them in a position of power. (just my take)
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I think there is still money to be made with this sand but finding the trailers is the hard part. I have seen guys foam at the mouth when they think they have found a good'n and are trying to get it before everyone else. I bought some several months ago and checked on some recently and the price is constantly increasing. "Old Salt", did you get your hands on any?
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Try and find a new blower when you get the trailer. My new belly dump just arrived yesterday and I was suppose to get it a month ago. They have had two price increases on belly dumps here lately. A dealer in OKC has twenty on order and they all are sold to a company in North Dakota. A crude trailer is another trailer that is hard to get, no used ones around and a new one is $80k or more and a long wait to get them. Local guy just bought a new Mack daycab with pump and a new salt water trailer and spent a little over $200k.
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I just bought six 98 model fruehaufs had to give 48k apiece for them but they are on the ground and running really nice trailers too.
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