Help! Truck still shutting off!

Discussion in 'Trucks [ Eighteen Wheelers ]' started by Floyd, Oct 26, 2011.

  1. Floyd

    Floyd Light Load Member

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    If you happen to have read my thread asking for a wiring diagram then you know my situation.
    Basically my truckis still shutting itself off(no codes) but only for about the first hour or so of work. It will do this 3 or 4 times(loaded, empty, moving, sitting) and then it doesn't skip a beat for the rest of the day.
    Start the truck up the next day and this process repeats.
    It is definately electrical related, and I believe the ECM is at fault.
    Batteries, connections, grounds and wires I have checked and rechecked and everything is fine.
    I hate to but, I think i'm going to have to take it to the dealer and have a test ECM installed and run it for 24 hours to see if it is inded the ECM.
    Anybody have any ideas on this before I do this?
    Thanks.
     
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  3. Pablo-UA

    Pablo-UA Road Train Member

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    ouh, what truck, what year, what engine?
     
  4. Blind Driver

    Blind Driver Road Train Member

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    Have you checked the coolant level?

    Just sayin' :biggrin_2552:
     
  5. SHC

    SHC Spoiled Rotten Brat O/O

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    Deffinatley sounds like it might be a bad ECM, but have you actually tested the batteries??? it could be that the battery your ECM is powered up by has a bad cell and it does not maintian enough power first thing in the morning to run the ECM, but does fine after your altenator has charged the batteries for a few hours....but that is just a possiability.
     
  6. bender

    bender Road Train Member

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    You might consider the fuel solenoid.
     
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  7. fortycalglock

    fortycalglock Road Train Member

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    This is a Star right? Replace the fuse holders for the ECM power. I had a problem like this as well. Also, have you checked the connector at the ECM? When truck is cold but running, try wiggling wires and connector and see if it shuts down. I, stupidly, when diagnosing the fuse problem stuck the multimeter probes in the ECM plug's terminals, which caused intermittent ECM power loss as well. A little tin foil in the plug terminals provided a quick fix, but a new plug was in order. When I put the new plug on, I ran new power wires to the firewall, as the previous owner already had done a halfass job of it already.
    Altogether between ECM plug, wires, fuses and holders, you should be under $20, so why not do it anyway to see if it works.
     
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  8. Floyd

    Floyd Light Load Member

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    Thanks for the replies.
    Sorry, forgot to mention, '95 W.Star, 3406E @500 H.P.
    I have checked the connectors, fuse and holder are in good condition(power on both sides at all times), Bypassed both the switched and constant power supplies to the ECM with a known good power source and it still did it. Coolant level is good.
    Yesterday it got worse and actually left me beside the road for about 30 minutes before it would start up again.
    Last night I took off the ECM and replaced it with a test one to try today.
    If it still does it I suspect you may be right SHC.
     
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  9. Shade Tree

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    Well if I was a betting person which I am not that sounds like engine speed sensor fault. They had a tendency to not log faults. The other question I have is when you turn the key on during this no start condition does the check engine light come on. CAT went thru several engine speed sensors because of erratic signal causing engine shutdowns. (the tolerance and cam movement would actually cause a shadow signal that shut the engine down) I believe the latest engine speed sensor for that engine had a green tip and required a shim washer which corrected the tolerance and air gap issue. .
     
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  10. Floyd

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    Well, after installing the test ECM and running it yesterday it still bothered so I at least eliminated the ECM being at fault. Wish I had never tried the test ECM because now I don't want to put mine back on! Truck had at least another 50 horse. Made my truck quite an animal compared to the 500 ECM.
    Anyway, during the day yesterday I found a ground issue with the alternator(low charge) Last night I found the crimped end on the ground from the alternator to the frame was bad. Replaced it and full charge but still shutting off but now its coding 34 which is engine speed sensor. I know I wiggled the sensor wires before with no change but now I can wiggle the wires and get the truck to stumble and shut off!! I took it out just to inspect it and it does have a green tip and a shim washer on it(thanks shade tree)
    Replacing my engine speed sensor today(if I can find one) and I believe my troubles will be solved........I hope!
     
  11. Shade Tree

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    Floyd: When you said you wiggled the wires and it shutoff.. Where were you moving the harness at? If it was just above the ECM there is a junction where all of the five volt reference wires splice together and it has been known to lose its crimp and cause the shutting off/electrical problem. There is actually a wiggle test in CAT ET that allows you to put the ET in a test mode and as you wiggle the harness it will record the event. There is a mechanical sensor push pull test for the speed sensor, can't remember exactly what it is this moment. There is an adjustment on that sensor. If I remember correctly, you must align the cam gear in the sensor window so you see a full tooth. Gently pull the sensor probe out to full extension. Leave the o-ring and washer off the new sensor and install the sensor to snug tightness. This will set the initial air gap adjustment. The washer gives it the necessary air gap tolerance that corrects the ghost reading by the sensor. Remove the sensor, reinstall the washer and oring and install the sensor. You really should have the sensor calibrated for cam to crank calibration. The engine will run, just not sure it will be 100%.
     
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