Would you quit if forced on eLogs?

And by the way, part of the 10 hour driving, will NOT include a 34 hour restart. It's going back to the "old ways" where you only pick up what you drove 7-8 days prior. Somebody finally got smart enough to figure that out with a 34 hour restart, the total log week is actually 88 hours, not 70. Personally, I'm all for it..I'm all for Public Citizen..They want to lower our hours worked and are the only group pushing for hourly pay for all drivers..Not that they will get it, the ATA is far too greedy and has had too much free labor for far too long, but the intention is nice.

 

Got any proof ??? And I don't need a "friend"...As long as we get paid for ALL our time. And you are right, it IS all about the money...Money that should have been PAID to the truck driver a LONG time ago. Instead, we have all these "lifestyle" drivers defending their right to give away their labor. And then complaining about the results of their own actions..

 

Elogs won't prevent you from running when you are tired. It will only track your time. You can be exhausted and still have plenty of time left to run with EOBR's. The difference may be that the carrier will push you to run because your EOBR shows that you have plenty of time left to run. If you are tired you should not be running, regardless of how you record your time. Driver's won't pay drivers to sit until they start demanding that shippers pay for wasting their time. Until shippers pay the carriers won't dig into their own pockets to pay the driver to sit.

 

I've been in all this for a long time. I'm from the "Old School". You were never out of hours, just start another book. Gezzz I went on ALLOT of vacations in my younger days. How'd I ever make a buck?

The company I'm with now is the third one to have E-Logs. The third to go to them because they got spanked by a DOT audit.

I ( as most ) can make ANYTHING work on paper. Getting things done on E-Logs sometimes takes some more thought, and better planning from all parties concerned.

There have been times when I just couldn't get some place for a pick-up or a delivery because of the E-Logs. It's their dance, they can see for themselves that I was out there doing what I was suppose to be doing. I LIKE THAT. I don't have to worry if they "believe" that I was up and going when I needed to be. It's right there.

There have also been times when I was 100 miles from my home time and out of time, needed to take a 10. I DON'T LIKE THAT, but that is the rule, they want a legal truck and driver so I give them what they want.

Do I fudge? You bet ya. There are still ways to make the most out of your day.

I DON'T see how though I am any more rested on E-LOGS. It just looks that way.

For years, if there were an "incident" the lawyers were faced with having to try to convince a Judge and Jury that yes this driver did take his break, and was "rested". Now, there at least is proof that the truck wasn't moving when it was suppose to be sitting.

I think that has more to do with the whole E-Log thing than anything.

To make it all work right, EVERYONE has to be on that same"everything legal" page. I don't see shippers & receivers ever changing their stripes.

 

Totally wrong . The 34 hour restart isn't being eliminated . Public Citizen doesn't have a clue how to interpret the regulations . The proof is in this statement by Joan Claybrook as quoted in the January 1-14 2008 issue of "The Trucker " "Under this interim rule , drivers may continue to log an exhausting 77 hours behind the wheel in a 7 day period , take a mere 34 hours off , then hit the road to do it all over again "
When you can only log 70 hours in 8 days how can you drive 77 hours in 7 days ? You can't even drive 66 hours in 6 days because that doesn't leave enough time for inspections , fueling , and loading/unloading .

 

Well, I see the "lifestyle" people have weighed in, and no it is not wrong. Check the FMSCA site. They are doing away with the 34 hour restart. Just keep giving away that time. And boards like this will prosper with all the complaints..And where is that proof that the railroads are behind all this ? Public Citizen thinks that drivers should be paid for all time...and I agree. With 35+ years in this business I have seen far too many people die just trying to make a living. Stop defending trucking companies, they don't give a #### about you. They screw you each day you give away your time. And all the defenders think that's just great because that's the way "it's always been"..Does your doctor, lawyer, plumber, roofer give away THEIR time for FREE ? Not hardly..But all the "I'll log all this time on the top line even though I am AWAKE and working" people will...Good luck with EOBR's...it's all there. And when you try and cheat, guess who will be pointing the finger at you saying we NEVER knew ? That less than wonderful trucking company will hang you out to dry in a heartbeat.

 

The last article I read on the new HOS said the restart was staying, but had to include 2 periods of 12am to 6am. No biggie for me since my 34 hour restarts are at home and include those times anyways.

 

First off, not only are you making generalization statements, but you are also comparing our industry to those of people who have spent 10yrs going thru schooling and training (ie doctors, lawyers)

Next, you make us seem like we are just giving our time away for free, when in actuality we are being compensated for every minute we spend out here already. We know what a load pays, and in that understanding we realize that a 10hr break is required, along with the time for a pretrip and post trip inspection. Loading and unloading times as well. We accept that and do the job, so there is no corporate backstabbing or free labor. If somebody is unhappy about their job or pay then they only have themselves to blame as they took the job and continue to work for the company. If they are truly unhappy or feel they are being treated unjustly then they should quit and go somewhere they feel like that is not happening.

I'm sorry but I want nothing to do with "public citizen" or your teamsters. I am guessing by your avatar that you are probably a steward as well. I'm glad you are happy but I make more an hour now without the govt telling me my rate and w/o the union sticking their greedy hands into my wallet. It may be good for you, but I see no good in collective bargaining and feel that the majority like unions because they like to be lazy and have big brother to stick up for them when they get caught. Or when they are unhappy, they got somebody to whine too.

In all reality, unions are just another corporation. They take a fee from every member to provide them with hourly pay negoations. How many times do you see a union go on strike for a month or two while they try to get better benefits for its member. And while they are on strike, families have to do without income while they do this? Yet the corporation still gets its fee and a majority of the time they raise the fee a $1 or two after negoations. It happened to me 3 different times and our contracts only got extended and it did not raise our pay.

Just my views. Sorry for the rant

 

AH yes another herd member spouting collective nonsense. Everything I do is compensated or I do not do it.

You entire argument of hourly pay is both infantile and simplistic. You are no different than any piece worker. Your pieces are hours others are miles. You are not paid a fee to fuel, another to inspect, another to unload.......

And the day I have to let some herd decide my rate will not arrive.





None of which answers Meltom question so please take your pro-union double speak to the childrens forum where it belongs.



His question for the people interested in answering is if you were placed on elogs for violating policy would you quit.

Now since I missed his question at first here is my answer.

If I violated policy I was not interested in working for you anymore anyways. But the other side is if I had a driver violating policy do I care if he quit. No I wouldn't.












Hourly pay Minimum wage is what

Gotta love the brotherhoods smoke and mirrors. By the way thank them for that insipid midnight to six provision. And no more than one restart in seven days. Hoof prints all over those two pin headed ideals from the herd.