Would you quit if forced on eLogs?

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Then your probably going to have to change the way you run. That simple, you concede you are out of compliance consistently now. When they come down with the NPRM your company may give you what you want, or they may just hire somebody that is willing to run all week in the truck.

 

That's what some of these guys don't understand. We aren't trying to run 2 logs to have 1000 mile days and editing so we can show a break and still run, we are just making a run legal on paper that would be legal under optimum conditions. In reality that's what the DOT wants to see.

 

Oh bull squeeze. Planning a run that only fits if everything goes absolutely perfect is your problem.

Here are the rules, there are a few exemptions, follow them or not. It's black and white.You will never use the maximum mileage every day. That is pattern logging and tells the auditors they better get their pad ready. Everyone know some days go to crap. Weather, plants, trucks all have issues so those just barely loads will turn into not quite when this comes out.

Yeah I get you want to conceal the make it work aspect you and others use now.That will no longer be possible.

 

Nothing in our legal system is ever truly black and white.

As for pattern logging, the inspector still has to prove that you weren't doing what your log says and unless he has evidence to the contrary or you mess up and give him such information, he has nothing. That's why you use the advice given in the police questioning thread. Tell them its all in your logs and say no more.

 

I guess, you may never understand. My boss has his plate full, he has two plants that we run into and over 100 trucks to dispatch, which he does himself. They give him a list of growers at about 3 or 4 in the afternoon for the next day. They tell him if they are going to be loading on the hour or half hour etc or how many loads out of each particular grower. We (the drivers) don't know what we are going to be doing the next day, more then 12 hours in advance at best because he usually doesn't know himself because the plants keep changing the plans.

The day before that run, I got done at about 4 in the afternoon. I was told to load more then 250 miles away the next early morning, starting at 6ish am. Once loaded I had a 250+ mile drive to a plant in centeral ND area. Drove with my foot on the floor trying to save time. Once unloaded I called and was told to bounce back home 160 miles so that I could load locally in the morning. When loaded we can't travel the superslabs unless we run light. See we can be alot heavier on the state roads then we can be on the superslabs. This means slower mph roads, dealing with towns etc. No way around it.

Also due to equipment at the growers and the plants, it take alot longer to load sometimes with causes us to push against our 14 hour clocks.

There are just some runs were running 100% compliant are not possible. It is not all the runs. Some runs like yesterday are easy to stay in compliance. I only put on 339 miles yesterday. Today I am going to be putting on just over 400 miles. So no worries today. Now not sure about tomorrow since I won't know tomorrows plan until I get unloaded around 10 ish tonight. See he can't set my plan in stone until I am unloaded because I might have to sit for hours before I can unload. It all depends on the plant I am delivering too and if they have problems or not.

But this is part of hauling raw bulk potatoes for processing.

Now our otr trucks can have elogs, they have have to contend with the local and regional stuff. They load, have a couple days or so to reach a destination somewere a few states away. Their schedules are pushed as tight as the local spud haulers are. Dispatch gives them plenty of time to reach their destination.

Yes planing a trip can be helpful but not all of the time.

I would love to have some of you come up this way and play the game us local spud haulers have to play. Our company OTR guys won't do it!

I do it because they pay is not bad and I get home most nights to see my family.

I will no longer go OTR. My mother ended up in the ER in a comma (sp) back when I was running otr hauling cars. I was on my way to Detroit and was told that she might not make it. I unloaded in Detroit, loaded again at a local auction house up there, and burned back to Grand Forks ND only stopping for fuel. I hooked up with a few drivers south of detroit that ran both my front door and back door all the way to Minnesota. They had faster trucks so we were able to make great time.

The second time, I was up in manitoba and was scheduled to spend a week in the truck. My daughter ended up in the hospital in serious condition.

 

In your scenario you can use line 5, being that you were empty. You can drive off duty all you want, provided you aren't laden.

Accepting a non compliant load because it takes you home is your fault. You are the one whos going to get parked OOS for 10 hours. You are the one who is going to get the log violation.

 

You might be surprised to learn that there are states that do not allow it.

 

Federal law > State law

State HOS regulations don't apply to you when under Federal HOS.

 

I'll send a pm.

 

My company is going to change soon and honestly I think there are ups and downs to it if you run legal all the time then it will save you time and you will benefit from it, but if you run hot and like most of us do from time to time even if you just strech your time to get to a good place to sleep it will hurt us not jst our money but inspections and company's will catch it