Do we need governement intervention

That is possible, but my learnings were in the conservative portion and most of the instructors were the same. I was not kept back for the benefit of the entire class.

I really have no leanings as to which one is worse than the other. I feel we have more than enough problems from both.

 

Quit reading PRAVDA.

Here read the actual decision not what the agency in Grain Valley spews.

http://www.ca7.uscourts.gov/tmp/DA0VXJ4T.pdf


The court remanded it not set it aside. In addition the type of harassment OOIDA alleged was never proven but rather the fact that drivers could be monitored for performance(like that is not happening now) and that drivers could be caught in the rule that had shown no evidence of violations.
In other words legal drivers could be placed on the as a "bad actor" when in fact they had been compliant.

If anything this makes more of a case for across the board mandate versus a bad actor mandate. That would be the obvious rectification of the type of harassment cited in the opinion. If everybody is on them no one is being punished.

The productivity argument is ridiculous. Plain and #### simple. That they can be used to track whether a truck is productive??? Had t be a commiefornia judge for that portion.

Companies already track hours and miles, and are expressly prohibited from forcing or coercing a driver to operate ill or fatigued. Yes I know Johnston and ilk have drummed up the masses of testimony from those "forced". The rules specifically prevent such.

392.3

No driver shall operate a commercial motor vehicle, and a motor carrier shall not require or permit a driver to operate a commercial motor vehicle, while the driver's ability or alertness is so impaired, or so likely to become impaired, through fatigue, illness, or any other cause, as to make it unsafe for him/her to begin or continue to operate the commercial motor vehicle. However, in a case of grave emergency where the hazard to occupants of the commercial motor vehicle or other users of the highway would be increased by compliance with this section, the driver may continue to operate the commercial motor vehicle to the nearest place at which that hazard is removed.





Kinda shoot's the whole "They made me" crap huh? If your to tired to drive you hold the keys, and have the rules backing your decision to not operate the vehicle.

 

But when did you go to school? When I was in school, one wasn't held back to benefit the entire class, they were held back because they didn't pass their classes.

Having three boys that have gone through the public school system, the public school system today is not what it was years ago. It has a definite slant, and they spend more time dealing with the 'difficult' students than they do teaching.

 

Well, if the laws already exist and are enforcible, what's the point of EOBRs?

 

As far as I'm concerned EOBR's and electronic logs both need to go away. Both are babysitting of drivers and both are intrusive as far as I see it. But the ATA is behind it and so are the unions. The ATA is made up of the big trucking companies, so I don't trust the ATA in the least.

 

They want everyone to have them. They want to use them to babysit drivers more than they already do.

 

I have no idea how schools came into this.

However if you send your young bowl of mush to a Jewish Academy you expect him to learn the doctrines and tend toward Judaism right.
Same for the Catholics, Baptists, Military......


Then people send their bowls of mush to a government school and act all surprised when they worship government.

 

I graduated in 1976.

There were accelerated classes that I took. The basic classes operated at the speed of the slower people in class.

I took higher level economics courses where others took Consumer Economics. I was in the advanced classes for college prep.

I was raised in a conservative area of town and home. I learned more of the liberal leanings when I began to work in the corporate world. I saw the greed that was there. The owner liked to let people go and higher new people at lower salaries. All for the bottom line.

I have seen where some of the schools are leaning that way anymore.

 

Mine don't worship the government. But then again, I actually held discussions with them and taught them to think for themselves.

 

Yeah, Crony Capitalism. Not Free Market Capitalism.

Look at the "occupiers". They don't like the way Wall Street operates.
But Wall Street is absolutely operating exactly how Washington wants them to. --Crony all the way.

President Obama touted The Dodd-Frank Act as the most sweeping finance reform since The Great Depression. And now we have people rioting in the Streets, and it ain't the bankers that are peeved.