Why CSA 2010 and E-Logs are a good thing.

Good Grief!

Saying E-logs WILL make roadways safer, is like saying outlawing hunting specific(ie only shotguns) firearms WILL reduce crime.

 

That's my point. HOS is suppose to cut down on fatigued driving. At some point after we are all on their electronic systems someone will decide fatigued driving is still a problem; And it will be (Maybe to a lesser degree). Drivers will still fall asleep behind the wheel, and then they will be on to the next gadget to cut down on fatigue.

Silly?, It won't EVER happen? Oh, do tell tAZZ. --There are already cameras monitoring bus and truck drivers for post incident investigations. Someone here on TTR in one of the oil patch threads was just talking about his tattle-tail sending his picture to his FM every time he crosses the railroad tracks. Bumps in the road triggers the alert.

If you think they can't write software to detect signs of fatigue, you must have been living under a rock for the last 20 years.

I agree.

 

LE makes use of all those video cameras that are placed along roadways nowadays to monitor driver and as part of accident investigation process. Even those video cameras at private business' can be used. Maybe the camera is not on the dash and aimed at the driver's face, but that doesn't mean they are not being used as we write these comments.

 

ELOG's/EOBR's monitor the compliance of the truck being stopped for a break,its up to the individual driver to actually take a break

The device makes you stop when you have reached your HOS limit so in essence you have to take a break(not make one up on paper) so YES,its all about safety

 

Plus, keep in mind, the EOBR can work in the driver's favor as well. If a carrier/shipper/receiver is forcing you to work when you need to take a break, a driver can just use the EOBR as an out. This whole thing is a two way street. Both parties can try and use an EOBR against the other. Frankly, when things get to that level, it is best to just bow out and look for another place to work. There are other carriers that do not resort to these kind of tactics.

 

So, it's up to the individual driver after all to take a break... The truck could stop, the driver could 'potentially' lump for 8 hrs, then sleep for two and drive again....(mainly to make up for lost revenue complying with the ELOG/EOBR compliance monitor) Yep, it's all about safety.

It will start with a few drivers doin' it... the ones that are not afraid of work and like the money... Then, their companies will catch wind of it, and want their piece of the pie... and start pushing other drivers to do it as well... for less(the companies will want their cut).

Oh, yeah... It's all about the safety

 

You sure was right about that.

 

Do you understand the accident statistics prove accidents related to commercial driver fatigue has declined since the latest incarnation of the rules went into place?

 

1) There is no lost revenue unless your running non-compliant now. Planning to be at a receiver for 8 hours I can see where your revenue is going.

2) People doing exactly that and getting caught in compliance and or accident reviews is precisely why the split sleeper birth was modified to mandate an 8 hour break. Could you lie and get away with it temporarily? Sure, but like most criminals upon minimal examination your lie's would be revealed to allow for proper prosecution by the law.

 

YES, here we go! Please post the statistics. How was the study conducted? What was the 'control' of the study? Just how much has it declined? What was the nature of the accidents included in the study. What deemed an accident to be fatigue related? Were 4-wheelers involved in ANY of the accidencts included in the statistical analysis? If so, were these drivers also tested for 'fatigue' ?

Of all accidents, what made fatigue related ones statistically significant to non-fatigue related ones?


For the record: Statistics... 'Prove' nothing