ISX 475: Leaking Head Gasket - To Inframe or Not Inframe

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  1. VisionLogistics

    VisionLogistics Road Train Member

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    2004 KW T2000
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    950k miles
    Current Average Fuel Economy (loaded / bobtail): 6.8 mpg / 11.4 mpg Yes, it's still turning awesome numbers for fuel economy! $$$

    I just had the truck dyno'd at cummins in Portland. It made 470 hp (98% slip corrected HP) and only blew a 5 on the blowby test (InH2O). Cummins told me before the run that when they start seeing 18-20 on the H2O blowby test that they recommend rebuild. So for my million mile ISX, it still performs like new and doesn't burn any oil. BUT: It's leaking about a gallon of oil every 20k miles from the head gasket, the front covers and a few other places. Not a gusher, but I am not real excited about the head gasket leak, despite the performance numbers it just made.

    Kenworth wants $6500 just to do a gasket overhaul. Most of that is labor ($85/hr). I don't have a huge problem with that but then I must ask myself if it's time to do an in-frame. I can't see why if the motor is still giving me 98% of it's rating and has very low blowby. But then again, almost a million miles... with the cost of an ISX inframe being about $14k now, what should I do?

    Sure would suck to spend $6500 on the gasket overhaul just to experience catastrophic failure shortly thereafter.

    Any advice or sharing your experience is appreciated. :biggrin_25514:
     
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  3. thehammer69

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    I'd just add a gallon of oil every 20k miles, and drive it until you have a real problem.
     
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  4. VisionLogistics

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    That was my thought, too, but I'm afraid to run it with the leaking head gasket. After time that can cause damage to the head / block, yes?
     
  5. ENR

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    Do you do oil samples ?
    If you pull a sample and the oil is coolant free just keep topping her up.
     
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    Having owned four trucks and with three of them having oil leaking from head gaskets at some time...I've learned to let them leak unless they get excessive.
     
  7. VisionLogistics

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    The sad thing is that if they didn't have to pull the cams to remove the head, it'd cost half the estimate. But nooooo. Thanks to ISX engineering they have to remove the hood, radiator, basically the entire front structure of the engine. smh.

    Thanks for the advice. I haven't been running oil analysis on this unit. I'll probably shop around and see who will give me the best deal on the gasket overhaul and get it done before I put a driver in it. Save everyone the pain in the arse of breaking down in BFE under a hot load. Paying for peace of mind I guess. I'll have TA do an oil analysis for me first though. If it looks like I should rebuild, I'll probably just go ahead and do it instead of only the gasket overhaul.
     
  8. Coal Bucket

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    Hate to sound like a salesman, but here goes.. I have a 2006 Isx 475 with 156,000 real ecm miles out of a kw that had a cab fire. It needs a wiring harness and some sensors ( heat damage, no actual flames). You could reuse yours All the internals are good. Would let it go in the head gasket $ range. Pm me if your interested.
     
  9. Travis Freight

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    My isx is a 2000. Hope you got the head gasket fixed without issue. I have an unrelated question for you. Have you ever had any issue with your fuel getting scortched? I'm at 1.1 million and my fuel turns charcoal grey in about 300 miles. Fuel test only showed excessive heat. Have you experienced anything like that? Thanks
     
  10. 2hellandback

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    When at idle any oil hit the ground? or when just sitting?
     
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    I will never ever do another inframe aint worth it go with a crate engine you will be money ahead in the long term not to mention the warrenty plus
     
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