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Discussion in 'May Trucking' started by Dozzer6, Jan 13, 2012.

  1. Efon

    Efon Road Train Member

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    My comment about being over gross was not directed at the 50 pounds over. It was more of a general statement.

    The driver has already stated he didn't want to chance it. That's up to him.

    Remember though an overwieght ticket could affect your CSA score now.
     
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  3. Dozzer6

    Dozzer6 Light Load Member

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    Pedigree, you would fire me for refusing to run a load illegal. Wow! I think you need to pull your head out and get some fresh O's to that brain of yours. Any time you fire someone because they refuse to do something immoral, unsafe to self or others, or illegal; you have pretty much just handed them ownership of your assets in the form of cash. Plus in this industry lose your authority to run. Next time you decide to pop off on a subject, don't.

    Scooter, the first scale out of Layton heading west is only 28 miles away and almost always open now. That would have put me at roughly 24 lbs lighter, closer but not there.

    Those that want to mock and slander because I choose to obey the letter of the law feel free. Like speed limits, max weights are laws not suggestions. While a $50 fine is not much, the damage to my CSA is. Why take a chance that you might get a ticket for something that you know about and can fix. There are enough things that we can get cited for that we don't have a ton of control over. Just like an officer can write you a ticket for being one MPH over the speed limit, he can write you a ticket for being one pound over weight. And on both counts they may generally not write those tickets, but I am unwilling to take that chance with what is my career and my livelihood. So mock all you want for me choosing to live my life within my moral bounds and the laws of society. I really don't give a darn.
     
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  4. Blackadder47

    Blackadder47 Medium Load Member

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    I've had an overweight ticket and was not assessed any points.
     
  5. Scooter Jones

    Scooter Jones Road Train Member

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    Dozzer, I would NEVER encourage you to run in an illegal way. You have to do what your conscious dictates. There is the letter of the law and the spirit of the law. As you continue to build your drive experience, I think the difference between the two will come into clearer view.

    Now, as to the CSA2010 angle. A while back unbeknown to me, a tire on my rear passenger inside tandems came off the bead sometime while I was driving, I was pulled into scale, the weighmaster saw it, I was pulled in for a level three. That was the only thing they found. However, they put me OOS and wrote the tire off the bead as a violation. Had to have the service truck come and fix before I could roll.

    When I first started driving I was on I-84 E in Oregon. It was broad daylight, yet, I had my foglights on. A trooper pulled me over and told me I couldn't drive with my "auxilary" lights on only. I said "HUH?" He quoted some obscure ordinance and said he was going to do an "inspection". He cited no problems, however, that light "violation" went on my CSA2010 score.

    Both are on my CSA2010 score now and I essentially have no recourse. In the interim, I was hired by another good company with marks on my CSA2010. They didn't even bat an eye.
     
  6. Dozzer6

    Dozzer6 Light Load Member

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    Scooter, my comment to you was just to let you know which direction I was headed. Night dispatch told me to do the same thing, drive it off. After I told them where the scale was they said, "well talk to your DM in the morning then". I asked to go to the CAT scale and they said no, we won't authorize that since you have a scale right there. Next morning I suggested to my DM that we run it over the CAT scale, she said yes. So I did. Load was at 79,760, with all axles just legal. That just flamed me. I lost a lot of time because I was not allowed to verify a weight from a scale that is know to have problems. In fact after I slid my fifth wheel forward to take weight off my drives to get them closer to legal, the Layton scale weighed the drives and the steers 200 heavier than the previouse weigh. Every axle was roughly 300 lighter than what that scale said I was. Just says that from now on I will be going to the pilot to scale and saying to heck with the Layton scale.

    So I apologize if you took that as directed at you Scooter, it was not.

    Dozzer
     
  7. Efon

    Efon Road Train Member

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    After doing some more research on it, I find you are right sir.

    But being overweight can get you inspected at a scale house which could lead to violations resulting in points. That's what I should of said.
     
  8. Efon

    Efon Road Train Member

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    Even if an officer pulls you over for something, but does not write you a ticket, and gives you a warning for it, it affects you. And there is no way to fight a warning.
     
  9. Pedigreed Bulldog

    Pedigreed Bulldog Road Train Member

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    First of all, the load wasn't illegal.

    Second, your concern over 50 friggin pounds is juvenile. NOBODY is going to harass you about that piddly amount....0.000625% overweight. Even if some hard-headed cop decided to write you up for that, it would be laughed out of court by the judge in a heartbeat because you are within the allowable "margin of error" at even the most accurate of scales. Remember, most truck scales display weight in 20 pound increments, and it rounds UP. In other words, if your steer axle is 12,001 it will show 12,020 on the scale. If your drives are 34,001 it will show 34,020. If your trailer is 34,001, it will show 34,020. When you add up all of your axle weights, it totals 80,060...and a platform scale will show your weight as being 80,020....but you are only 80,003. For all practical purposes, you are legal to roll.

    So now you're upset that you wasted a day screwing around worrying about nothing...where if you had listened to the people who have been out here for a while, you would have been on up the road. You screwed up. The sooner you admit that and learn from your mistake, the better off you'll be.

    You have a lot to learn about this industry. NO carrier is going to lose their operating authority due to an unsubstantiated claim made by a disgruntled former employee. Worst thing that will happen is the complaint might (but not likely) trigger an audit, but when they look through the BOL's and they all show legal loads, your complaint will be dismissed....just like you were. You could sue, but you wouldn't see a dime. You are an "at will" employee, and as such, you can be fired at any time, for any reason....or for no reason at all.

    ...and I'll contribute to any thread I see fit.
     
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  10. Dozzer6

    Dozzer6 Light Load Member

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    Pedigree, I did not make a mistake. I made a decision based on the knowledge that I had at the time. If dispatch had explained to me what you did in you first paragraph of your last post and allowed me to verify the weights in a certified scale I would have ran the load Friday night. if that first paragraph had been I your first post explaining why I would be fine to run that load, I would have run it. But for a member to come on here whome I don't know from Adam simply say, 50#, run it your fine without the reason behind why I would be fine just does not work for me. Because your right, I do have a lot to learn about this industry, but I don't learn anything not knowing the reason why someone tells me what they do.

    So I am going to do something here I generally don't do. I apologize for telling you that you needed to pull your head out. I was ticked at our night dispatch and I let that get the best of me. Something else I generally don't do. As far as I am concerned our night dispatch may as well not even be there. They have not helped me once when I needed it. They seem to know less than I do about this job, and how to be successful at it. And I don't care who reads that either.

    As far as the at will employer and lawsuits and such I am not going to get into an argument with you. I just know what I have seen from my years in management. I have personally been sued for fireing someone who was an at will employee. Fortunately for me they just wanted their job back, and not my home.

    Again, I apologize for the insult, I should not have gone there. I'm usually bigger than that.

    Dozzer
     
  11. Blackadder47

    Blackadder47 Medium Load Member

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    No worries! I actually thought it was going to incur points until the scalemaster told me otherwise. He did do a Level 3 inspection.

    My own #### fault, got loaded at Unilever in New Century, KS and was going to scale it out and grab some fuel in St Joe's, MO. Completely forgot about the coop just north of Platte City, it was 2300 hours, it was open and I was 1400 over on the drives. Doh!

    He took off 400 lbs for the APU, fine was $91.50.
     
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